Bspa Meeting...

[SteveLyric2]

given the acknowledged skew of second string averages in the EL and the subsequent amended conversion rate IMO no rider should enter the EL assessed at less than 5.

 

Isnt there an independant arbitrator setting all new assessed averages for the EL??

 

There is no such person in British Speedway!!!

 

(ps. if you mean Peter Oakes, then I guess we'll have to accept he's as close to independent as we are likely to get - never having been involved in anything speedway-related previously!!!)

Edited December 21, 2014 by Skidder1

[Alan_Jones]

So there are different conversion factors depending whether you are going up or down. Is it deliberate (if so what's the logic), or is it dodgy accounting or maybe just in the best interests of British Speedway?

Yes it is. It was previously * .6 and / .6, but because 2nd string EL averages were inflated by last season's format it was decided to reduce the conversion for dropping down.

[Rob Lee]

Yes it is. It was previously * .6 and / .6, but because 2nd string EL averages were inflated by last season's format it was decided to reduce the conversion for dropping down.

Ta. Makes sense as long as it only applies to EL 2nd strings.

[Noodles]

Elite League to Premier League - x 1.4

 

Premier League to Elite League - x 0.6

Well, well, well. Dust settled now has it?

[TonyE]

So a 6.00 EL rider goes in to PL @ 8.24

 

and

 

An 8.24 PL goes into the EL @ 5.04

 

Simples!

[uk_martin]

So a 6.00 EL rider goes in to PL @ 8.24

and

An 8.24 PL goes into the EL @ 5.04

Simples!

 

Making it easier for a PL rider to advance into the EL and harder for an EL rider to look for a cushty little number in the PL...in theory. I don't see these calculatioin methods as being that objectionable in principle.

[SteveLyric2]

 

Making it easier for a PL rider to advance into the EL and harder for an EL rider to look for a cushty little number in the PL...in theory. I don't see these calculatioin methods as being that objectionable in principle.

Agree. It was supposedly done that way by the PL promoters who were also fearful of facing rider wage demands from those 6+ EL wanting to double down.

[uk_martin]

I think that there should be a "trap door" from EL to PL. Once that a rider is full time EL and decides to drop down to the PL it should be in the knowledge that there's no way back to the EL or the EL wage demands. That'll make them think. There used to be such a trap door when Rugby Union never allowed anyone back to the game if they went to Rugby League or American Football. Didn't stop anyone from doing it if they wanted to but they were sure of the consequences of their decision. Worst thing they ever did, scrapping that rule, but that's another issue. Give a rider on the upward slope of his learning curve a couple of years doubling up if he must. After that it should be the only time that they can choose to stay on in the PL. After that it's decision time. If they go EL it's for keeps. Another drop to the PL after a full time spell in the EL will be for good. Let the uncommitted make way for those with more determination to get on.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Agree. It was supposedly done that way by the PL promoters who were also fearful of facing rider wage demands from those 6+ EL wanting to double down.

Surely its just as easy to just say no!

[Humphrey Appleby]

I think that there should be a "trap door" from EL to PL. Once that a rider is full time EL and decides to drop down to the PL it should be in the knowledge that there's no way back to the EL or the EL wage demands. That'll make them think. There used to be such a trap door when Rugby Union never allowed anyone back to the game if they went to Rugby League or American Football.

Restriction of trade and totally illegal, not to mention somewhat pointless.

 

Rugby Union was at the time an amateur game, so presumably private clubs could restrict who they wanted to play for them.

[uk_martin]

Illegal is it? You just issue different kinds of riding licenses. An "A Class license" if they are in the EL and a "B Class license" if they are in the PL. Maybe even a "C Class license" if they are NL. Just like a motor racing driver needs a "Super License" to drive in Formula 1. Then you set the eligibility criteria for obtaining the licenses to suit the policy of the issuing authority and allow it to entirely at their discretion to refuse a license. A rider can't complain if he then can't compete at the top level again if he himself decides that he is no longer good enough for an "A Class license" and swaps it for a "B Class license".

[MattK]

I think that there should be a "trap door" from EL to PL. Once that a rider is full time EL and decides to drop down to the PL it should be in the knowledge that there's no way back to the EL or the EL wage demands. That'll make them think. There used to be such a trap door when Rugby Union never allowed anyone back to the game if they went to Rugby League or American Football. Didn't stop anyone from doing it if they wanted to but they were sure of the consequences of their decision. Worst thing they ever did, scrapping that rule, but that's another issue. Give a rider on the upward slope of his learning curve a couple of years doubling up if he must. After that it should be the only time that they can choose to stay on in the PL. After that it's decision time. If they go EL it's for keeps. Another drop to the PL after a full time spell in the EL will be for good. Let the uncommitted make way for those with more determination to get on.

 

To what purpose?

 

I would rather have riders committed to Britain and if that means allowing doubling-up/down, then I don't see a problem with this.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Illegal is it? You just issue different kinds of riding licenses. An "A Class license" if they are in the EL and a "B Class license" if they are in the PL. Maybe even a "C Class license" if they are NL. Just like a motor racing driver needs a "Super License" to drive in Formula 1.

Obviously it's fine to require certain professional standards to race at higher levels, but there's nothing to stop an F1 driver competing at lower levels with a Super Licence. Why would you want to?

[uk_martin]

To what purpose?

 

I would rather have riders committed to Britain and if that means allowing doubling-up/down, then I don't see a problem with this.

 

Craig Cook and Ben Barker, amongst others, have taken the safe and comfortable route by dumbing down between EL and PL for years, instead of grasping the nettle, committing themselves to the EL and bettering themselves in Sweden and Poland. What good's it done? How much further forward has it driven their personal International successes? That's the purpose. To encourage the riders to maximize their potential, and to turn out for Team GB so that Great Britain be competitive on the World Stage.

 

Of course, if all that matters to you is your weekly league meeting and don't care about the nation's prospects, then you won't care about such things. Maybe the fairy godmother will magically appear and make everything alright?

[MattK]

 

Craig Cook and Ben Barker, amongst others, have taken the safe and comfortable route by dumbing down between EL and PL for years, instead of grasping the nettle, committing themselves to the EL and bettering themselves in Sweden and Poland. What good's it done? How much further forward has it driven their personal International successes? That's the purpose. To encourage the riders to maximize their potential, and to turn out for Team GB so that Great Britain be competitive on the World Stage.

 

Of course, if all that matters to you is your weekly league meeting and don't care about the nation's prospects, then you won't care about such things. Maybe the fairy godmother will magically appear and make everything alright?

 

But speedway is their job. They have decided that they'd prefer a steady income to chasing international success. Same with the likes of Watt and Schlein who are clearly past their best and how simply want to provide for their families. Seems reasonable to me.

[jenga]

no point in having an A.G.M. . cos certain promoters cant work out the RULE thing..

[A ORLOV]

Can anyone confirm the priority of D/U rider where both the EL and PL club race on the same day, as now that the fixtures are published there seem to be quite a few clashes of meetings.

[foamfence]

Can anyone confirm the priority of D/U rider where both the EL and PL club race on the same day, as now that the fixtures are published there seem to be quite a few clashes of meetings.

It varies depending on a range of factors, I believe Redcar have priority over Coventry for Stuart Robson because they declared their 1-7 first. Three different riders could all have three different conditions on them.

[SCB]

It varies depending on a range of factors, I believe Redcar have priority over Coventry for Stuart Robson because they declared their 1-7 first. Three different riders could all have three different conditions on them.

Yet it was said previously that the league a rider parent club is in gets priority so Coventry get priority over Robbo as he's owned by Lakeside. To be honest, I'd hope that Coventry and Lakeside would do good by each other if they had to and swap assets, Robbo for Kennett with a "swap back clause" for the end of the season.

[foamfence]

Yet it was said previously that the league a rider parent club is in gets priority so Coventry get priority over Robbo as he's owned by Lakeside. To be honest, I'd hope that Coventry and Lakeside would do good by each other if they had to and swap assets, Robbo for Kennett with a "swap back clause" for the end of the season.

I think it would be logical if the senior of the involved leagues, took priority and everyone would know exactly what they were doing.... .. .Fat chance!