Bspa Meeting...

[Guest]

BRITISH Speedway bosses have completed their three-day AGM in Warwickshire – where arrangements have been made for the 2015 season.

 

The AGM was attended by all clubs who completed the 2014 Elite and Premier League campaign, and new vice-chairman Chris Van Straaten has stressed the views of supporters have been strongly taken into account over the weekend.

 

Business has been completed for the two senior leagues, and the National League AGM will take place on December 9.

 

That meeting is set to include an application for membership from Eastbourne, who were in attendance on the first day of the conference.

 

Peterborough also left after the conclusion of 2014 business and have asked the Association to give them 14 days to confirm their intention to run in 2015, and that period has been granted.

 

Van Straaten said: “Eastbourne have received permission to put their Elite League licence on ice for one year, and at the end of 2015 they will make a further decision.

 

“They have been valuable members of the top leagues for a number of seasons and we’re sad to see them go, but we understand their reasoning and they will be applying for National League membership.

 

“Peterborough took no further part in any voting or discussions after 2014 business, in case they don’t run, which is the right thing to do, but we have left the door open for them to come back into the Premier League within 14 days if they can.

 

“Everybody else was very positive in wanting to run, and as usual there was a very harmonious atmosphere. Naturally, as always, there were areas of heated debate, but that’s what democracy is all about, and we have come to solutions which suit the majority.

 

“We are very happy with the way the AGM has progressed. We have tried to correct items which were wrong, having listened to the views of supporters, and we all feel positive about 2015 and beyond.”

 

MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE

 

Alex Harkess (Edinburgh) remains as Chairman for the last of his six-year stint in the position.

 

Chris Van Straaten (Wolverhampton) takes over as Vice-Chairman, with George English (Newcastle) and Rob Godfrey (Scunthorpe) remaining on the Management Committee.

 

Former vice-chairman Jon Cook (Lakeside) did not stand for re-election, with Keith Chapman (King’s Lynn) joining the Management Committee. The reserve member, to cover any absence across the Association, will be David Hemsley (Leicester).

 

Van Straaten said: “Jon wants to take time out of Management Committee business and focus on Lakeside matters, and we thank him for his hard work and contribution over the years.

 

“We’re delighted that Keith Chapman, who has done so much for King’s Lynn Speedway over the last decade, has joined the MC and I’m sure his experience will be invaluable.”

 

OVERALL ISSUES

 

*The 2015 BSPA AGM will be brought forward by at least a month and will take place within the racing season. This enables clubs to hold discussions with riders regarding the following season prior to the end of the existing campaign.

 

Van Straaten said: “This is a huge step forward, and both leagues agreed it was the way to go. We need to be able to do our business earlier. We’re always the last nation to be able to talk to riders, but next year we will be able to do it considerably earlier.”

 

*Both Elite and Premier Leagues have adopted a system of three points per home win. All other league scoring remains unchanged.

 

English said: “Teams used to get two points for a home win of six points or less, but that meant some home supporters were leaving disappointed that they’d dropped a point.

 

“Everything else stays the same with a point for away teams keeping within six points, but every home win is worth three league points.”

 

*In the 2015 season, there will be only one Tactical Ride available (both Elite and Premier Leagues), which will be if a Team is ten or more points in arrears. Timing of availability of this facility remains unchanged.

 

*When a rider is unavailable to his club as he is required to race in a re-arranged fixture abroad, there will now be a facility available (in both leagues).

 

*The Yellow & Black helmet colour will return in 2015, rather than Yellow only. This is in response to comments from supporters regarding identification of riders under floodlights.

 

MAJOR EVENTS

 

The six Major Events from 2014 will all return.

 

The Premier League Pairs will, as usual, be staged at Somerset on the night preceding the British Grand Prix – Friday July 3, 2015.

 

Dates and venues for the other events – British Final, British Under-21 Final, ELRC, PLRC and Premier League Fours – are to be confirmed, and it is intended that the ELRC will be run at an early stage of the season, prior to the start of major International events.

 

ELITE LEAGUE

 

*Competing clubs: Belle Vue, Coventry, King’s Lynn, Lakeside, Leicester, Poole, Swindon, Wolverhampton.

 

*Elite League: Each team meets each other twice at home and twice away for a 28-match programme. Play-offs for the top four teams as before.

 

*Points limit: Raised from 32 to 34 for the top-five members of the team.

 

Van Straaten explained: “The basis for that is we understand that some second-strings were falsely high, and rather than tinkering with averages or working out a system of taking a percentage off, we raised the overall average to make allowances for that. This will enable clubs to track very competitive top fives.”

 

*Fast Track System: This has been enhanced for 2015 with an increase in quality, as additional riders will be invited to join the scheme.

 

Neil Vatcher has assumed control of the system, and will be sending invitations to riders, who will be split into two categories. Elite League promoters will meet later in November for the draft, and clubs will include one rider from each category.

 

A list of guest riders for Category 1 will also be available, as there was an issue in 2014 with obtaining suitable replacements on certain race-nights.

 

Van Straaten said: “2014 was an innovative year with the Fast Track and the new format, and it was important to look at things which weren’t quite right and improve upon them, rather than throwing it straight out.

 

“I’m pleased the BSPA have taken that stance because for the most part the response to it was tremendous, but there were one or two adjustments which were needed, and we have tried to listen to the fans.

 

“We would like to sincerely thank Phil Morris for his work with the Fast Track this year, we were pleased with the effect it had on the league, and we are happy to now have Neil taking over responsibility for the scheme.

 

“There were riders this year who perhaps could think they had unfairly missed out, and the likes of Ashley Birks, Adam Roynon and Josh Auty will now have the option to come in.

 

“The fact that we need less riders, with only eight teams, has improved the quality of that Fast Track pot of riders immensely.”

 

*Doubling-Up: This option is now restricted to two years per rider, effective from the 2015 season onwards. Two places in the top five of the team are available for a doubling-up position, as before.

 

*Elite League Fixtures: These will be compiled in a manner sympathetic to those riders competing in the Grand Prix series, with free weeks in the build-up to major meetings.

 

Van Straaten said: “We want the league to be open to anyone in World Speedway who wants to be here, and hopefully this will encourage some to have another think and conclude that Great Britain is not as exhausting as it was.

 

“We have the full FIM list for next season, we know all of their dates, and we are attempting to make it more hospitable for the top riders to race in the Elite League, although obviously you can’t force them to!”

 

*Signing Window: Although the transfer deadline remains in place, a window will open for seven days prior to the Elite League play-offs to enable clubs to replace injured riders with riders from outside the league.

 

Should guests be required in the Elite League play-offs, it is no longer permissible for these to be selected from riders competing for clubs who have also qualified for the play-offs.

 

*A revised Elite League race format will be in place for 2015 to primarily address the issue of the visiting No.4 not competing until Heat 5.

 

PREMIER LEAGUE

 

*Competing clubs: Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Ipswich, Newcastle, Plymouth, Redcar, Rye House, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Somerset, Workington. TBC: Peterborough (see above).

 

*Points limit: Unchanged at 42.50

 

*Premier League: Each team meets each other once at home and once away for a 22/24-match programme. The two ‘extra’ home and away fixtures which were built in for 2014 have been removed.

 

The league title play-offs will still be contested by the top six teams, but no longer under the mini-league system. Every tie will be on a knockout basis, with the first and second placed clubs progressing directly to the semi-finals. Quarter-finals: 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th. Semi-finals: 1st v 4th/5th, 2nd v 3rd/6th.

 

*Premier League Knockout Cup: This competition is to be sponsored by Travel Plus Tours in 2015.

 

Draw: Round 1 – Newcastle v Scunthorpe; Sheffield v Edinburgh; Ipswich v Berwick; Rye House v Workington; Plymouth v Peterborough. Bye – Glasgow, Redcar, Somerset.

 

Round 2 – Glasgow v Newcastle/Scunthorpe, Sheffield/Edinburgh v Redcar; Ipswich/Berwick v Rye House/Workington; Plymouth/Peterborough v Somerset.

 

*League Cup: Unchanged from 2014 with three groups of four teams (or one group of five should Peterborough return).

 

*In all two-legged aggregate events in the Premier League, there will be no tactical rides permitted.

 

English said: “We’ve run for several seasons without tactical rides in the Knockout Cup, and we’ve now extended that to all aggregate ties.

 

“We’re very hopeful that the league will consist of 13 clubs, and to that end Peterborough were included in the KO Cup draw.

 

“It’s been done in such a way that it can be altered if they don’t make it to the tapes, but we all sincerely hope they will be able to run.”

 

TEAM GREAT BRITAIN

 

Great Britain manager Alun Rossiter will remain in his position for 2015.

 

British Youth co-boss Phil Morris has stood down, and the BSPA would like to sincerely thank him for his efforts. Neil Vatcher will now assume overall control of British Youth and Junior events, which are flourishing with rider numbers in the 8-14 age groups having doubled to over 50 in recent years.

 

English said: “We have every faith in Neil to do an excellent job, the news he has brought is very encouraging, and we understand we need to be helping our young British riders.”

 

Well done for getting this in-depth report on to the forum so quickly screm.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Guest

[Islander15]

Tbf regarding the Fast Track, they have listened to supporters. If we agree that there had to be 2 to keep costs down they've included the likes of Auty, Birks and Roynon because people COMPLAINED that they weren't in it. Now they moan that they are!

 

These guys aren't going to get paid as much as the 1-5 riders so it's in their interest to be in the 1-5. Imo that rewards Howarth and Worrall who are good enough to be in the top 5 but still gives them a ride if they aren't going to get picked by any one.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Islander15

[MattK]

 

 

*Points limit: Raised from 32 to 34 for the top-five members of the team.

 

Van Straaten explained: “The basis for that is we understand that some second-strings were falsely high, and rather than tinkering with averages or working out a system of taking a percentage off, we raised the overall average to make allowances for that. This will enable clubs to track very competitive top fives.”

 

What terrible logic. Teams will use the extra points to strengthen at the top, not to give team places to secondstrings from last season.

[pandorum]

Yellow and Black Helmet Cover to return.

 

 

Well that will pack them back in.

If they had gone for the green helmet I might have been tempted back.

Another missed opportunity.

 

A complete waste of a weekend really which they could have spent getting drunk or playing golf or both.

 

But glad the EL is healthy and with luck there will be a repeat of this years excitement as Poole find a way to tweak their team and win it again.

Tbf regarding the Fast Track, they have listened to supporters. If we agree that there had to be 2 to keep costs down they've included the likes of Auty, Birks and Roynon because people COMPLAINED that they weren't in it. Now they moan that they are!

 

Hey that's speedway

Edited November 16, 2014 by pandorum

[Arson fire]

Tbf regarding the Fast Track, they have listened to supporters. If we agree that there had to be 2 to keep costs down they've included the likes of Auty, Birks and Roynon because people COMPLAINED that they weren't in it. Now they moan that they are!

 

These guys aren't going to get paid as much as the 1-5 riders so it's in their interest to be in the 1-5. Imo that rewards Howarth and Worrall who are good enough to be in the top 5 but still gives them a ride if they aren't going to get picked by any one.

if thats towards me then ive never moaned that they wernt in it??.... its good to moan anyway

[mikebv]

As the band play on, the Captain of the Titanic orders his men to (once more) rearrange the deckchairs....

Edited November 16, 2014 by mikebv

[mrcts]

agreed, if Auty and roynon are Fast track then the likes of Howarth, cook, Lambert and R Worrall should be also... How could Auty and Royno be FT but the others expected to be in the mainbody of the team.

Including the likes of Auty,Birks,Roynon and perhaps Charles Wright will at least give every team a good rider at number 6 unlike the patently unfair situation last season where certain teams were at a massive disadvantage.

[barncooseboy]

A lot of speedways problems start and finish at ACU House in Rugby

 

If you as a promoter ring the office during the lunch hour you receive a fine, why cant the staff lunch hours be staggered to provide a full day service?

 

Letters that are sent to the BSPA sit in the office waiting for a managent team member to read them, in March a letter from the Visa and Immigration dept oif the British Government REQUIRED an answer by April 1, it was ignored and mightily P....Off the V&I Agency

 

Speedway is now in the same category as your local Indian Takeaway

 

A clear out is needed at Rugby and new staff that dont treat every day as POETS day need to be enployed Where else will you find a glorified secretary on a tad short of 50k

[BluPanther]

The Fast Track System is dead, long live the Fast Track System.... BSPA

[Kester]

No your not wrong they have fudged it again, but I am not surprised they couldn't organise the proverbial pi$$ up at a brewery.

 

3 points for a home win.

One TR when 10 points behind.

Yellow and Black Helmet Cover to return.

 

I really bloody despair at times, they even had the cheek to mention somewhere that they had listened to the supporters, yeah right.

 

When you consider it's taken them god knows how many years to twig it'd probably be handy to have the meeting a bit earlier in the year, expecting any genuinely useful decisions is blind optimism.

[moxey63]

Why do they wait till the season is over to announce such mouth-watering changes?

 

No doubt they'll be hammering down the gates to get in every track come next spring, with "House Full" signs already being ordered.

 

Best bet is getting your season tickets right now.

 

The return of the Yellow and Black colour... what a masterstroke!

[Guest]

BRITISH Speedway bosses have completed their three-day AGM in Warwickshire – where arrangements have been made for the 2015 season.

 

The AGM was attended by all clubs who completed the 2014 Elite and Premier League campaign, and new vice-chairman Chris Van Straaten has stressed the views of supporters have been strongly taken into account over the weekend.

 

Business has been completed for the two senior leagues, and the National League AGM will take place on December 9.

 

That meeting is set to include an application for membership from Eastbourne, who were in attendance on the first day of the conference.

 

Peterborough also left after the conclusion of 2014 business and have asked the Association to give them 14 days to confirm their intention to run in 2015, and that period has been granted.

 

Van Straaten said: “Eastbourne have received permission to put their Elite League licence on ice for one year, and at the end of 2015 they will make a further decision.

 

“They have been valuable members of the top leagues for a number of seasons and we’re sad to see them go, but we understand their reasoning and they will be applying for National League membership.

 

“Everybody else was very positive in wanting to run, and as usual there was a very harmonious atmosphere. Naturally, as always, there were areas of heated debate, but that’s what democracy is all about, and we have come to solutions which suit the majority.

 

“We are very happy with the way the AGM has progressed. We have tried to correct items which were wrong, having listened to the views of supporters, and we all feel positive about 2015 and beyond.”

 

MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE

 

Alex Harkess (Edinburgh) remains as Chairman for the last of his six-year stint in the position.

 

Chris Van Straaten (Wolverhampton) takes over as Vice-Chairman, with George English (Newcastle) and Rob Godfrey (Scunthorpe) remaining on the Management Committee.

 

Former vice-chairman Jon Cook (Lakeside) did not stand for re-election, with Keith Chapman (King’s Lynn) joining the Management Committee. The reserve member, to cover any absence across the Association, will be David Hemsley (Leicester).

 

Van Straaten said: “Jon wants to take time out of Management Committee business and focus on Lakeside matters, and we thank him for his hard work and contribution over the years.

 

“We’re delighted that Keith Chapman, who has done so much for King’s Lynn Speedway over the last decade, has joined the MC and I’m sure his experience will be invaluable.”

 

OVERALL ISSUES

 

*The 2015 BSPA AGM will be brought forward by at least a month and will take place within the racing season. This enables clubs to hold discussions with riders regarding the following season prior to the end of the existing campaign.

 

Van Straaten said: “This is a huge step forward, and both leagues agreed it was the way to go. We need to be able to do our business earlier. We’re always the last nation to be able to talk to riders, but next year we will be able to do it considerably earlier.”

 

*Both Elite and Premier Leagues have adopted a system of three points per home win. All other league scoring remains unchanged.

 

English said: “Teams used to get two points for a home win of six points or less, but that meant some home supporters were leaving disappointed that they’d dropped a point.

 

“Everything else stays the same with a point for away teams keeping within six points, but every home win is worth three league points.”

 

*In the 2015 season, there will be only one Tactical Ride available (both Elite and Premier Leagues), which will be if a Team is ten or more points in arrears. Timing of availability of this facility remains unchanged.

 

*When a rider is unavailable to his club as he is required to race in a re-arranged fixture abroad, there will now be a facility available (in both leagues).

 

*The Yellow & Black helmet colour will return in 2015, rather than Yellow only. This is in response to comments from supporters regarding identification of riders under floodlights.

 

MAJOR EVENTS

 

The six Major Events from 2014 will all return.

 

The Premier League Pairs will, as usual, be staged at Somerset on the night preceding the British Grand Prix – Friday July 3, 2015.

 

Dates and venues for the other events – British Final, British Under-21 Final, ELRC, PLRC and Premier League Fours – are to be confirmed, and it is intended that the ELRC will be run at an early stage of the season, prior to the start of major International events.

 

ELITE LEAGUE

 

*Competing clubs: Belle Vue, Coventry, King’s Lynn, Lakeside, Leicester, Poole, Swindon, Wolverhampton.

 

*Elite League: Each team meets each other twice at home and twice away for a 28-match programme. Play-offs for the top four teams as before.

 

*Points limit: Raised from 32 to 34 for the top-five members of the team.

 

Van Straaten explained: “The basis for that is we understand that some second-strings were falsely high, and rather than tinkering with averages or working out a system of taking a percentage off, we raised the overall average to make allowances for that. This will enable clubs to track very competitive top fives.”

 

*Fast Track System: This has been enhanced for 2015 with an increase in quality, as additional riders will be invited to join the scheme.

 

Neil Vatcher has assumed control of the system, and will be sending invitations to riders, who will be split into two categories. Elite League promoters will meet later in November for the draft, and clubs will include one rider from each category.

 

A list of guest riders for Category 1 will also be available, as there was an issue in 2014 with obtaining suitable replacements on certain race-nights.

 

Van Straaten said: “2014 was an innovative year with the Fast Track and the new format, and it was important to look at things which weren’t quite right and improve upon them, rather than throwing it straight out.

 

“I’m pleased the BSPA have taken that stance because for the most part the response to it was tremendous, but there were one or two adjustments which were needed, and we have tried to listen to the fans.

 

“We would like to sincerely thank Phil Morris for his work with the Fast Track this year, we were pleased with the effect it had on the league, and we are happy to now have Neil taking over responsibility for the scheme.

 

“There were riders this year who perhaps could think they had unfairly missed out, and the likes of Ashley Birks, Adam Roynon and Josh Auty will now have the option to come in.

 

“The fact that we need less riders, with only eight teams, has improved the quality of that Fast Track pot of riders immensely.”

 

*Doubling-Up: This option is now restricted to two years per rider, effective from the 2015 season onwards. Two places in the top five of the team are available for a doubling-up position, as before.

 

*Elite League Fixtures: These will be compiled in a manner sympathetic to those riders competing in the Grand Prix series, with free weeks in the build-up to major meetings.

 

Van Straaten said: “We want the league to be open to anyone in World Speedway who wants to be here, and hopefully this will encourage some to have another think and conclude that Great Britain is not as exhausting as it was.

 

“We have the full FIM list for next season, we know all of their dates, and we are attempting to make it more hospitable for the top riders to race in the Elite League, although obviously you can’t force them to!”

 

*Signing Window: Although the transfer deadline remains in place, a window will open for seven days prior to the Elite League play-offs to enable clubs to replace injured riders with riders from outside the league.

 

Should guests be required in the Elite League play-offs, it is no longer permissible for these to be selected from riders competing for clubs who have also qualified for the play-offs.

 

*A revised Elite League race format will be in place for 2015 to primarily address the issue of the visiting No.4 not competing until Heat 5.

 

PREMIER LEAGUE

 

*Competing clubs: Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Ipswich, Newcastle, Plymouth, Redcar, Rye House, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Somerset, Workington. TBC: Peterborough (see above).

 

*Points limit: Unchanged at 42.50

 

*Premier League: Each team meets each other once at home and once away for a 22/24-match programme. The two ‘extra’ home and away fixtures which were built in for 2014 have been removed.

 

The league title play-offs will still be contested by the top six teams, but no longer under the mini-league system. Every tie will be on a knockout basis, with the first and second placed clubs progressing directly to the semi-finals. Quarter-finals: 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th. Semi-finals: 1st v 4th/5th, 2nd v 3rd/6th.

 

*Premier League Knockout Cup: This competition is to be sponsored by Travel Plus Tours in 2015.

 

Draw: Round 1 – Newcastle v Scunthorpe; Sheffield v Edinburgh; Ipswich v Berwick; Rye House v Workington; Plymouth v Peterborough. Bye – Glasgow, Redcar, Somerset.

 

Round 2 – Glasgow v Newcastle/Scunthorpe, Sheffield/Edinburgh v Redcar; Ipswich/Berwick v Rye House/Workington; Plymouth/Peterborough v Somerset.

 

*League Cup: Unchanged from 2014 with three groups of four teams (or one group of five should Peterborough return).

 

*In all two-legged aggregate events in the Premier League, there will be no tactical rides permitted.

 

English said: “We’ve run for several seasons without tactical rides in the Knockout Cup, and we’ve now extended that to all aggregate ties.

 

“We’re very hopeful that the league will consist of 13 clubs, and to that end Peterborough were included in the KO Cup draw.

 

“It’s been done in such a way that it can be altered if they don’t make it to the tapes, but we all sincerely hope they will be able to run.”

 

TEAM GREAT BRITAIN

 

Great Britain manager Alun Rossiter will remain in his position for 2015.

 

British Youth co-boss Phil Morris has stood down, and the BSPA would like to sincerely thank him for his efforts. Neil Vatcher will now assume overall control of British Youth and Junior events, which are flourishing with rider numbers in the 8-14 age groups having doubled to over 50 in recent years.

 

English said: “We have every faith in Neil to do an excellent job, the news he has brought is very encouraging, and we understand we need to be helping our young British riders.”

 

It is excellent to see the lifeline handed to Peterborough and we must hope that they will be able to continue in the sport in 2015.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Guest

[Bostonian]

Tbf regarding the Fast Track, they have listened to supporters. If we agree that there had to be 2 to keep costs down they've included the likes of Auty, Birks and Roynon because people COMPLAINED that they weren't in it. Now they moan that they are!

These guys aren't going to get paid as much as the 1-5 riders so it's in their interest to be in the 1-5. Imo that rewards Howarth and Worrall who are good enough to be in the top 5 but still gives them a ride if they aren't going to get picked by any one.

100% agree. All season people moaned that birks etc weren't in the draft, now they are and people moaning they now shouldn't be. Now there are 2 less teams plus adding riders in, will make the reserves position a lot more competitive and fair to all teams. I'm sure if the likes of Garrity etc are wanted in a top 5 then they can do so, if not they can be added to the draft. I just hope the race format changes to give these guys a more difficult challenge (such as facing the heat leaders) otherwise Worrall, Kerr etc won't continue to improve like last season.

 

I think all in all I feel quiet positive towards these new rules etc. Improved points limit, guest rule for the play offs, doubling up rule, taking GPs into account more. Just hope race format is improved and be interesting to see draft list. Only disappointment is to see the league is still ending in October after last years weather problems.

 

Regarding GP boys and the 7+ average rule, do you really think ALL the gp lads would come back anyway? You will get 3 or 4 at the most and thats not particular going to matter to the 7 point rule. Also seems it will stop the better financed teams i.e Poole, not going so top heavy and teams being more balanced against each other.

 

 

Last point, the black and yellow helmet colour change isn't there to 'bring back the fans' it's just a small change but they have announced EVERYTHING they are changing for next season, so why would they not put it in the statement?

[Blackadder]

I was hoping that they would have looked at reducing riders' costs and changing the rules for starting races, to try to reduce the number of re-runs.

[Starman2006]

I was hoping that they would have looked at reducing riders' costs and changing the rules for starting races, to try to reduce the number of re-runs.

I know, how about a team of fast trackers, and flag start the riders. what planet are you on..

[remembertheracers]

A lot of speedways problems start and finish at ACU House in Rugby

 

If you as a promoter ring the office during the lunch hour you receive a fine, why cant the staff lunch hours be staggered to provide a full day service?

 

Letters that are sent to the BSPA sit in the office waiting for a managent team member to read them, in March a letter from the Visa and Immigration dept oif the British Government REQUIRED an answer by April 1, it was ignored and mightily P....Off the V&I Agency

 

Speedway is now in the same category as your local Indian Takeaway

 

A clear out is needed at Rugby and new staff that dont treat every day as POETS day need to be enployed Where else will you find a glorified secretary on a tad short of 50k

 

That needed saying, well done.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Where else will you find a glorified secretary on a tad short of 50k

 

Wouldn't be unreasonable if the service was good and they were empowered with some executive decision-making.

[cyclone]

 

Wouldn't be unreasonable if the service was good and they were empowered with some executive decision-making.

 

Which would appear not to be the case according to the following comment you omitted from the same post that you quoted.

 

Letters that are sent to the BSPA sit in the office waiting for a managent team member to read them, in March a letter from the Visa and Immigration dept oif the British Government REQUIRED an answer by April 1, it was ignored and mightily P....Off the V&I Agency

 

[baba]

Indeed, so he's gone to get his haircut - he's currently in the barber queue ...

 

I'll get my coat

bacon sound like a thick cu t

[clambo71]

I know, how about a team of fast trackers, and flag start the riders. what planet are you on..

What planet are you on.