Mike.Butler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 blimey, I thought we left the gimmicks to the promoters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Seems these folks currently have the responsibility for marketing SpeedwayGB  http://www.360licensing.co.uk/our-brands/speedway-gb  From the wording on the home page of that site:  All action motorcycle sport, Speedway GB, is rapidly gaining popularity this side of the pond* following British rider Tai Woffinden’s 2013 World Championship win.  With a growing UK fanbase**, a string of successful seasons for British riders*** and a new five year TV deal with Sky Sports, the brand is on the cusp of mainstream success****.  We’ve become worldwide licensee for Speedway GB and will be working alongside parent brand, Go Speed International****, to propel the brand into sport stardom.  * "this side of the pond" - what sort of comparison statement is that? What's the point that they are making? Like it's even "bigger" on the other side of the pond??? What???? ** This has to be a joke. *** This goes back to the fundamental question of "how long is a piece of string?" - Not a very long piece of string as far as successful seasons for British riders is it though? **** Is "the cusp of mainstream success" the same as being virtually bankrupt and being within a hairs bredth of losing the SkySports deal? ***** Is this the GoSpeed International Ltd that was liquidated in 2010 with debts of some £39,000 or the GoSpeed International Ltd that rose from the ashes? And we've seen BBC Watchdog programmes about companies that do that sort of thing haven't we? Seems Terry Russel is still pulling the strings then!  Well I doubt if any of the political parties at the next General Election will be able to put on spin like that, some of which is pushing the boundaries of honesty and credibility. Still, let's hope that all this "artistic license" will endow the sport with the kind of riches that Terry Russell can finally retire on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Correct! As I said King Smug took a gamble on my train at Rugby! Â Wow - this is what those immoral and greedy bankers do to one of their own who's caught fare dodging. Â So what does that say about the BSPA who allow their chairman to get away with the same offence without even batting an eyelid. If the greedy bankers are supposed to be the cesspit of society, and yet they have the decency to discipline one of their kind when caught out, then where does that leave the BSPA? Â http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30475232 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited)  From the wording on the home page of that site:  All action motorcycle sport, Speedway GB, is rapidly gaining popularity this side of the pond* following British rider Tai Woffinden’s 2013 World Championship win.  With a growing UK fanbase**, a string of successful seasons for British riders*** and a new five year TV deal with Sky Sports, the brand is on the cusp of mainstream success****.  We’ve become worldwide licensee for Speedway GB and will be working alongside parent brand, Go Speed International****, to propel the brand into sport stardom.  * "this side of the pond" - what sort of comparison statement is that? What's the point that they are making? Like it's even "bigger" on the other side of the pond??? What???? ** This has to be a joke. *** This goes back to the fundamental question of "how long is a piece of string?" - Not a very long piece of string as far as successful seasons for British riders is it though? **** Is "the cusp of mainstream success" the same as being virtually bankrupt and being within a hairs bredth of losing the SkySports deal? ***** Is this the GoSpeed International Ltd that was liquidated in 2010 with debts of some £39,000 or the GoSpeed International Ltd that rose from the ashes? And we've seen BBC Watchdog programmes about companies that do that sort of thing haven't we? Seems Terry Russel is still pulling the strings then!  Well I doubt if any of the political parties at the next General Election will be able to put on spin like that, some of which is pushing the boundaries of honesty and credibility. Still, let's hope that all this "artistic license" will endow the sport with the kind of riches that Terry Russell can finally retire on. Well considering the other brands this lot do speedway should just shut up shop now  The Were bears????? Never heard of them. An aquarium in Devon. Never heard of it! Keith Harris and Orville?? I wish I could expunge from my memory forever.  Speedway and it's growing fan base this side of the pond will be delighted that Orville is now on our side and with luck will make an appearance near you in the forthcoming season. He may even bring a Were Bear along. The crowds will come flooding back.  We needed the likes of a Barry Hearn and we got freaking Orville  Makes you weep! Edited December 15, 2014 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well considering the other brands this lot do speedway should just shut up shop now  Makes you weep! And not tears of joy. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Sounds like a few other marketing organisations, full of bull excreta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 We needed the likes of a Barry Hearn  Some questions about Barry Hearne...  1. Do you really think he would want anything to do with this sport? Really? 2. Who would appoint him? Can you really see the BSPA turkeys voting for Christmas? 3. Who would pay him? (and how much would he need to make it worth getting out of bed for?) 4. With reference to the last question, wouldn't those who paid the piper, not call the tune? 5. Suppose he takes the sport in a direction YOU don't like...then what? Who get's rid of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited)  Some questions about Barry Hearne...  1. Do you really think he would want anything to do with this sport? Really? 2. Who would appoint him? Can you really see the BSPA turkeys voting for Christmas? 3. Who would pay him? (and how much would he need to make it worth getting out of bed for?) 4. With reference to the last question, wouldn't those who paid the piper, not call the tune? 5. Suppose he takes the sport in a direction YOU don't like...then what? Who get's rid of him? How the hell do I know. I just used his name as an example of someone who does this kind of stuff which is why I said 'a'. If I had known there would be a quiz I would have not bothered. At least I can spell his name right though  Speedway could not attract Orville the state it's in so it hardly matters as it's never going to happen. Edited December 15, 2014 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 How the hell do I know. Â Congratulations, that't the right answer...and don't worry, you're not on your own. I've not seen anyone else who's advcocated "a Barry Urn" type of person to head up the sport, to have the answers to those questions either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 If they are trying to attract new corporate interest in the sport, do you really expect them to say the sport is up s**t creek - please help us provide a paddle?? Â Or, 'If you want some background on our wonderful sport, simply look at the BSF'!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Â Congratulations, that't the right answer...and don't worry, you're not on your own. I've not seen anyone else who's advcocated "a Barry Urn" type of person to head up the sport, to have the answers to those questions either. Â It's pretty simple, the answer to questions 2, 3 & 5 is the BSPA. Answer to 4 is No on the basis that if they bought into 2 & 3 fully then the right degree of independence would be built in. They totally missed the point when they offered the job to John Berry and looked as though they were getting the message with Phil Morris and the FTR system but screwed that up. Give 'em another 20 years or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Â It's pretty simple, the answer to questions 2, 3 & 5 is the BSPA. Answer to 4 is No on the basis that if they bought into 2 & 3 fully then the right degree of independence would be built in. They totally missed the point when they offered the job to John Berry and looked as though they were getting the message with Phil Morris and the FTR system but screwed that up. Give 'em another 20 years or so... You can screw an awful lot more up in those twenty years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Keith Harris and Orville?? I wish I could expunge from my memory forever. Speedway is officially now in the category of an 'end of pier sport' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If they are trying to attract new corporate interest in the sport, do you really expect them to say the sport is up s**t creek - please help us provide a paddle?? Â Or, 'If you want some background on our wonderful sport, simply look at the BSF'!!!!!!! Â Corporates will do a think known as "due dilligance" and as soon as they see that the wool is being pulled over their eyes, they will pull out anyway. How can a "corporate" be expected to put their trust and money into something as blatantly dishonest as what is being made out? Â If you are up s**t creek, maybe your best bet is to admit it, and try to attract someone who can get you a paddle? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 At least I can spell his name right though  Perhaps he was thinking of Richard Hearne! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but I haven't seen it 'officially' anywhere - Can somebody please clarify/confirm the EL/PL conversion rates for those riders allowed to double-up/down in 2015?! Â Has there been a change? Edited December 20, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Elite League to Premier League - x 1.4 Â Premier League to Elite League - x 0.6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Elite League to Premier League - x 1.4 Â Premier League to Elite League - x 0.6 Thanks Neil. Â How about another? With a rider like Jack Holder (now not a Somerset rider due to assessed 7 points) - what average would he be on if he were to sign for an EL club?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thanks Neil.  How about another? With a rider like Jack Holder (now not a Somerset rider due to assessed 7 points) - what average would he be on if he were to sign for an EL club?? given the acknowledged skew of second string averages in the EL and the subsequent amended conversion rate IMO no rider should enter the EL assessed at less than 5. Isnt there an independant arbitrator setting all new assessed averages for the EL?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lee Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Elite League to Premier League - x 1.4 Premier League to Elite League - x 0.6 Admittedly my arithmetic ain't what it used to be (fades with age), but those figures didn't look right, so I got out the calculator. Â 1/1.4 = 0.7142 and 1/0.6 = 1.666. Â So there are different conversion factors depending whether you are going up or down. Is it deliberate (if so what's the logic), or is it dodgy accounting or maybe just in the best interests of British Speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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