Bspa Meeting...

[FAST GATER]

Fiddling while Rome burns springs to mind nothing will ever change complete waste of time :sad:

[Woz01]

Rory has tweeted that as his average is over 6 he cannot ride PL as well. New rule?

[Chewbacca]

Not the outcome to revolutionise speedway is it?

[uk_martin]

... it is intended that the ELRC will be run at an early stage of the season, prior to the start of major International events.

 

So is that bye bye to the ERC? Remember the ERC? No? Don't worry, it's best forgotten anyway.

[Rayleigh]

No team closed during the 2014 season,

 

No teams are in danger of going out of business in 2015,

 

No riders failed to get paid last season

 

No guests required during the 2014 season

 

All seems well on planet BSPA so no need to change except for a helmet colour

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some established clubs like Birmingham, Eastbourne Lakeside and Rye House joined the National League where at least the low point rates allow a club to still make a profit.

[Fromafar]

Every year the same Promotions say if things don't change at AGM then they won't be sure if they are running next season nothing that would change the financial side of the sport ever happens yet they all run the next season.whos kidding who here.

[krompa]

3 pts for ANY home win? And still 1 pt for away loss by less than 6? What a rubbish rule. Lots of fixed results will come!

[shippy22]

Every year the same Promotions say if things don't change at AGM then they won't be sure if they are running next season nothing that would change the financial side of the sport ever happens yet they all run the next season.whos kidding who here.

That is what I am struggling to understand. Plymouth have stated that they wouldnt run in PL, if costs were not reduced. Scunthorpe have stated that unless things change 2015 would be their last season, and most tracks lost money last year.

The BSPA have just tinkered with a few things, but done nothing to solve the main problems, ie riders costs, too many guest riders and long drawn out meetings.

The costs have not been reduced. As usual, they appear to have buried their heads in the sand, and are probably blaming the weather, football world cup etc. for poor attendances last year, and think that suddenly the crowds will come back in 2015, and everything will be fine!!

Very likely that come the end of 2015 season, most tracks will again have lost money, and some will be threatening to close again.

[SCB]

3 pts for ANY home win? And still 1 pt for away loss by less than 6? What a rubbish rule. Lots of fixed results will come!

Not sure I like this, for the reason you state. It too easy now in an already won meeting to ease off, which will leave clubs open to suggestions of corruption.

 

BUT I have said for a long time it's about making sure the home fans go home happy having won the meeting and this does that. 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 used to work well though IMO.

[krompa]

Not sure I like this, for the reason you state. It too easy now in an already won meeting to ease off, which will leave clubs open to suggestions of corruption.

 

BUT I have said for a long time it's about making sure the home fans go home happy having won the meeting and this does that. 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 used to work well though IMO.

Yeah, everyone will be happy for sure if for example Poole will fix a meeting from 46-32 to 48-42 to give Lakeside extra point and eliminate Coventry from playoffs.

Can't imagine more rubbish rule in any sport!

Home fans will go home happy and away fans as well. Fantastic, happy world of British speedway once again.

[SteveLyric2]

Yeah, everyone will be happy for sure if for example Poole will fix a meeting from 46-32 to 48-42 to give Lakeside extra point and eliminate Coventry from playoffs.

Can't imagine more rubbish rule in any sport!

Home fans will go home happy and away fans as well. Fantastic, happy world of British speedway once again.

How dare you?! Poole wouldn't do that to give Lakeside any advantage - Jon Cook's not on the MC anymore!!!!

[topaz325]

Seems like just another year of small changes instead of the overhaul of the sport............

 

Another thing i forgot to mention in my last post , message to promoters everywhere "If you are not 100% sure the meeting will start do not let fans through the turnstiles and then call the meeting off"

Fans loose trust in the promotion and some never return!!

[IronScorpion]

It seems that there were a few areas that they did not know how to change/compromise to be right but then, who knows which is the right/best way?

 

T/R rule I am happy with & also not used in aggregate matches.

 

Yellow & Black helmet cover. Is this because when the yellow fades it can look almost white! So when the yellow/black fades it might look ...................black/white.

 

In the EL points limit increased to 34 but only allowing 2 riders over 7. This is where, in my opinion, they did not know what to do. Heat leaders had a lower than normal CMA as they were riding with & against better riders more often. Some 2nd strings had a higher than normal CMA as they were riding with & against a lesser rider more often. The better Fast Track riders in 2014 ie; Blackbird, Worrall, Kerr etc will not be in a teams 1-5 as it would use up too much of the new 34 points for team building. This is an area where they need to adopt something similar to the European Leagues where gradings are used also. Along the lines of 2 grade A, 2 Grade B 1 Grade C & 2 Reserves. This could be an area where a Fast Track rider becomes a 1-5 rider on a % of their CMA to become Grade B or C riders. This gives more British riders a team place.

 

Fast Track reserve guests, also have to have a lower CMA than the one they are replacing. The use of guests to make teams stronger is abused, in my opinion.

 

The reducing of matches is a good point as too many rain offs have caused problems in the last 2 years.

 

The Play-Off system is improved.

[pandorum]

3 pts for ANY home win? And still 1 pt for away loss by less than 6? What a rubbish rule. Lots of fixed results will come!

Agree. That is an awful idea.

[thebaron]

Iron; I agree with what you have said here. I am advocate of the grading system because it cuts through all the "hoop jumping" to find the rider that's going to fit in because of 0.01 of point! - clearly ridiculous.

 

Last years CMA's were skewed and your right; it seems like they haven't actually known what to do bring things into line. That's about it really; as I have said on the Scorps thread when in doubt...

 

B-est S-tick (w'it same) P-lan A-gain.

Edited November 17, 2014 by the outsider

[Trees]

Agree. That is an awful idea.

On the other hand if a team wins more of their home meetings by a close margin ie by less than 6, they lose out against a team who have won less meetings overall but perhaps one or two more by over 6 ...... Lynn would have definitely topped the league going into the playoffs had this rule been in this year as they won 15 at home against Poole's 14.

[SCB]

Iron; I agree with what you have said here. I am advocate of the grading system because it cuts through all the "hoop jumping" to find the rider that's going to fit in because of 0.01 of point! - clearly ridiculous.

Thats a myth. You have say 15 grade points per team, you've used up 14 and have 1 place left, so you have 1 grade point left. You have to sign a rider on an average that fits into the grade 1 grade, you still have to sign a rider on the right average. Grade will be based on averages.

 

Grades are just averages of averages and a stupid idea. They allow the richer teams to sign 7 riders at the top of their grade while poorer teams get left with the riders at the bottom so the richer teams can have a team that is 4 or 5 pointer higher than others before a meeting has been run.

[TheReturn]

Some interesting points from the BSPA meeting, and some moves in the right direction. However, I don't see any kind of long term planning to bring the sport back towards greatness. We have these BSPAS meetings year-after-year, either reactionary to the preceding seasons failures, or plans for the year or two ahead but with no long term planning in place long term to improve the sport, or to help clubs become more financial viable.

[oldtimer]

I used to regularly attend my local Premier League club but one of the things that stopped me attending last season was the number of times a rider was missing either from the home or away team. Injuries I can understand, but rides were missing due to foreign commitments and doubling up in the Elite League. In this weeks Star they analyse the guest situation, last season the figures show there were only two home matches at my club where a guest or R/R was not used. The BSPA must decide are they running speedway to encourage riders to improve and earn more money by doubling up or are they running speedway for the paying public. It may be nice to hope for more British riders progressing and having a good run in the World Cup or GP's, but I think we should forget about being a World Class speedway nation. In the GP's fans support riders from their own club, and the World Cup is not a serious competition with the Joker Card.

 

If they were serious about reducing injuries and the resulting guest problem, they would make riders ride bikes that were suitable for the tracks we have in this country, reduce the speed go back to upright engines, make the bikes easier to ride by altering the noise reducer,and bring the costs down. Of course this will never happen and attendance will continue to fall.

Edited November 17, 2014 by oldtimer

[pandorum]

On the other hand if a team wins more of their home meetings by a close margin ie by less than 6, they lose out against a team who have won less meetings overall but perhaps one or two more by over 6 ...... Lynn would have definitely topped the league going into the playoffs had this rule been in this year as they won 15 at home against Poole's 14.

It's the opportunity for gamesmanship I don't like mate.

Opens a floodgate for cheating.