le sorcier Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Poole Pirates = 47 (92) 1. Troy Batchelor (Guest)2. Edward Kennett (Guest)4. Danny King (Guest) 5. Maciej Janowski 6. Brendan Johnson (Guest) 7. Kyle NewmanKing's Lynn Stars = 43 (87) 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Robert Lambert 3. Chris Harris (Guest) 4. Stuart Robson (Guest) 5. Rory Schlein 6. Jason Garrity (Guest) 7. Simon Lambert I'm sure this has already been touched on many times but 7 Guests!! Nobody in the industry can be overjoyed at this conclusion to the season? Surely squads MUST be the way to go. With maybe 1 Guest max in extreme circumstances? As a neutral, the final is just a non event. What has it got to do with the rest of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Thanks for pointing out this to us I'm sure not many members of this forum were aware It will be very interesting to follow the debate on this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree that it's a ridiculous situation, but hasn't it been caused, at least in part, by having a cutoff of 28 August for team changes? With the playoffs running into the middle of October it is clearly too early to allow teams to adequately cover for injuries and other unexpected circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 good point midland red altho do I detect a note of sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 good point midland red altho do I detect a note of sarcasm Surely not!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Poole Pirates = 47 (92) 1. Troy Batchelor (Guest) 2. Edward Kennett (Guest) 4. Danny King (Guest) 5. Maciej Janowski 6. Brendan Johnson (Guest) 7. Kyle Newman King's Lynn Stars = 43 (87) 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Robert Lambert 3. Chris Harris (Guest) 4. Stuart Robson (Guest) 5. Rory Schlein 6. Jason Garrity (Guest) 7. Simon Lambert I'm sure this has already been touched on many times but 7 Guests!! Nobody in the industry can be overjoyed at this conclusion to the season? Surely squads MUST be the way to go. With maybe 1 Guest max in extreme circumstances? As a neutral, the final is just a non event. What has it got to do with the rest of the season? What has Happened to Rider replacement ,surly this would take out 2 guests and maybe promotion of No 8s to get rid of another 2 just a thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 What a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 What a shame. Probably a bigger shame for you that it was a play off fixture ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Probably a bigger shame for you that it was a play off fixture ! I was being ironic. Edited October 17, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I agree that it's a ridiculous situation, but hasn't it been caused, at least in part, by having a cutoff of 28 August for team changes? . You're right on both counts. So is the comment about rider replacement. To me, guests aren't the problem so much as the number of them. Scarcely a meeting has been raced this season with full teams and that simply must be addressed. Sadly, though, that is not all that is wrong with speedway. One meeting this season did that for me: Kent v Mildenhall, Bank Holiday Monday. An dreadful track with the chalk base showing through after a few heats, numerous falls (at least partly caused by the track) , a 15 heat match that took 3 hours to run and the appalling sight of an injured rider walking the length of the straight because the first aid people refused to allow the ambulance on the track (something, apparently, that the management were fully aware of) despite the fact that there was a gate less than 20 yards from the accident. Bryn Williams is one of may favourite presenters but even he was hamstrung into doing anything about this 'farce'. Then we have the clubs press officer arrogantly stating that they would not comment on the pages of this forum about the meeting and that replies would only be made by E mail. Elsewhere it is confirmed (very correctly) that most clubs can't do anything about stadiums. What they can do, though, is make every effort to ensure that track surfaces are prepared for the entertainment of paying customers, that the presentation is good and that there are as few delays as possible. I am sure I don't even need to mention the safety of riders. I am also sure I have said this before and will probably say it again, but that simply isn't case across the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Poole Pirates = 47 (92) 1. Troy Batchelor (Guest)[/size]2. Edward Kennett (Guest)[/size]4. Danny King (Guest) [/size]5. Maciej Janowski [/size]6. Brendan Johnson (Guest) [/size]7. Kyle Newman[/size]King's Lynn Stars = 43 (87) 1. Kenneth Bjerre [/size]2. Robert Lambert [/size]3. Chris Harris (Guest) [/size]4. Stuart Robson (Guest) [/size]5. Rory Schlein [/size]6. Jason Garrity (Guest) [/size]7. Simon Lambert [/size] I'm sure this has already been touched on many times but[/size] 7 Guests!! Nobody in the industry can be overjoyed at this conclusion to the season? Surely squads MUST be the way to go. With maybe 1 Guest max in extreme circumstances? As a neutral, the final is just a non event. What has it got to do with the rest of the season? What has happened to Poole 3. Shamek Pawlicki ????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 With Edward Kennett and Danny King being almost perma-guests during the play-offs will they get winners medals or will one still have Drunkard Ward's name on it instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 What has Happened to Rider replacement ,surly this would take out 2 guests and maybe promotion of No 8s to get rid of another 2 just a thought Promoters can't win, most fans complain and take the p when clubs run r/r!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Promoters can't win, most fans complain and take the p when clubs run r/r!!!! but at least your using your own riders, and guests for reserve riders is ludicrous No 8's Should Be promoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 We all know why we have the guest system, to keep teams reasonably even within the restrictions of the averages. Even if they are able to sort out some sort of squad system, how will averages be used? Unless u always have to bring in a member of your squad who has a lower average than the rider they are replacing? Squads are never going to happen over here unless a rich sugar daddy comes into British speedway and turns us into the Polish model! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Poole Pirates = 47 (92) 1. Troy Batchelor (Guest) 2. Edward Kennett (Guest) 4. Danny King (Guest) 5. Maciej Janowski 6. Brendan Johnson (Guest) 7. Kyle Newman King's Lynn Stars = 43 (87) 1. Kenneth Bjerre 2. Robert Lambert 3. Chris Harris (Guest) 4. Stuart Robson (Guest) 5. Rory Schlein 6. Jason Garrity (Guest) 7. Simon Lambert I'm sure this has already been touched on many times but 7 Guests!! Nobody in the industry can be overjoyed at this conclusion to the season? Surely squads MUST be the way to go. With maybe 1 Guest max in extreme circumstances? As a neutral, the final is just a non event. What has it got to do with the rest of the season? If you count the entire EL & PL as one big squad, then you'll sleep a little easier Edited October 19, 2014 by Shads 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 If you count the entire EL & PL as one big squad, then you'll sleep a little easier In other words a pool of riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 We all know why we have the guest system, to keep teams reasonably even within the restrictions of the averages. Even if they are able to sort out some sort of squad system, how will averages be used? Unless u always have to bring in a member of your squad who has a lower average than the rider they are replacing? Squads are never going to happen over here unless a rich sugar daddy comes into British speedway and turns us into the Polish model! Or teams go to six men a side and omit the big names, ?? for what some GP's No1's get in salary you could pay three 'good riders', (or half a six man team)... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 What has Happened to Rider replacement ,surly this would take out 2 guests and maybe promotion of No 8s to get rid of another 2 just a thoughtthe new EL race format means that rider replacement provides inadequate cover in most instances, as a result it is simply no longer used for second strings unless it is a case of force major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 At least most of the guests were British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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