DSC67 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Putting the controversy surrounding the final aside and the usual gaffs from Sam , I have to say I throughly enjoyed last meeting and found it far more enjoyable to watch than almost all of this seasons Gps , great to see racing on a proper track for a change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Putting the controversy surrounding the final aside and the usual gaffs from Sam , I have to say I throughly enjoyed last meeting and found it far more enjoyable to watch than almost all of this seasons Gps , great to see racing on a proper track for a change really? I was at Landshut last night, and though the meeting was not bad, I thought it pretty average. There was some close action, but not much overtaking. Riders such as Kildemand or Grigory Laguta, who usually win their races coming from the back, had not much Chance to do so. The Landshut track is notorious for being prepared to hard and slick, and yesterday the dust was really bad in the early heats. I wasn't overly impressed with this meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 A LIFETIME of writing for magazines and newspapers and starting with the first word in capitals... I do it with letters, emails, etc. Sorry if it offends Affectation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It is not just me then mdmc82? if you don't agree with the bloke he acts like a child who has just had his sweets taken off of him. I think he is just always looking for an argument. He doesn't get that everybody has an opinion. Sad really as won't get far in life with that out look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Couldnt believe the commentary team didn't think gollob to blame. And even more surprised that many on hear agree with them. He cut straight out off his line and cleaned Nicki out. 100% right decision. And all the riders saying it was the wrong decision. Had Nicki done what gollob did 100% would be saying he was to blame. Really hope Emil does the GPS next year. Tai best rider in the world at the moment but Emil and Nicki not that far behind. Good also to see lindback riding well, hopefully he will be the only swede in the series next year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I think he is just always looking for an argument. He doesn't get that everybody has an opinion. Sad really as won't get far in life with that out look. Yes! Really struggling in life. I would say, you would get further in life by not peddling nonsense, making up things that plainly didn't happen and calling them an 'opinion'. Once again, as its clearly difficult for you to understand. What happened is factual, not an opinion. Gollob moved right and collided with Pedersen. 100% absolute fact. Not Opinion. The debate is whether or not Gollob should have been excluded or not and yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion on that! Edited Edited July 12, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Yes! Really struggling in life. I would say, you would get further in life by not peddling nonsense, making up things that plainly didn't happen and calling them an 'opinion'. Once again, as its clearly difficult for you to understand. What happened is factual, not an opinion. Gollob moved left and collided with Pedersen. 100% absolute fact. Not Opinion. The debate is whether or not Gollob should have been excluded or not and yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion on that! I'd say your "facts" is wrong. Gollob did not move left but right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I'd say your "facts" is wrong. Gollob did not move left but right. haha! Quite correct Edited Edited July 12, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'd say your "facts" is wrong. Gollob did not move left but right. To Bwitcher, if she believes it then it must be fact. She sadly can't appreciate that everybody has an opinion and instead tries to force hers on others. The best bit is I'm a fan of Pedersen's and if she read my original post instead of huffing & puffing then she would see that I said all four back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) To Bwitcher, if she believes it then it must be fact. She sadly can't appreciate that everybody has an opinion and instead tries to force hers on others. The best bit is I'm a fan of Pedersen's and if she read my original post instead of huffing & puffing then she would see that I said all four back. If you read Ghostwalker's posts, he agrees 100% with me, he was simply pulling me up for mixing up my lefts and rights. So wrong person to seek help from for your fabricated story. I personally would have put all 4 back in the final. I think Gollob was the innocent party, If somebody had to be excluded out of the two I would have said Pedersen and I'm a fan of Nicki. Because Gollob was already a head and was left very little room. Those are your posts, a fabrication of what happened. Gollob had the same amount of room as he had from the starting gate, he chose not to use it. Edited July 12, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 To Bwitcher, if she believes it then it must be fact. She sadly can't appreciate that everybody has an opinion and instead tries to force hers on others. The best bit is I'm a fan of Pedersen's and if she read my original post instead of huffing & puffing then she would see that I said all four back. Why should we accept your opinion when we know you are wrong. Yes everyone can share his/her opinion on a forum but if other people have different opinion they have a debate/argue thats how forums work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 IF Gollob's footrest hadn't tangled with Pedersen's front wheel, which was what caused the crash and subsequent stoppage, and the race continued would the referee have taken any action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 IF Gollob's footrest hadn't tangled with Pedersen's front wheel, which was what caused the crash and subsequent stoppage, and the race continued would the referee have taken any action? Surely would have been called back for an unsatisfactory start and an all 4 back. Which I feel it should have been anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 IF Gollob's footrest hadn't tangled with Pedersen's front wheel, which was what caused the crash and subsequent stoppage, and the race continued would the referee have taken any action? That's a good question Phil and one that has been debated in other incidents recently. Namely, should a rider have to fall off to be deemed a victim of foul riding. I note though you agree that it was Gollob's footrest that caused the crash and hence the subsequent stoppage. Given Gollob was the rider who changed line and rode into Pedersen that means he was the primary cause of the stoppage and as per the rules of the sport should be excluded. So a bit baffled as to why you objected against it? Surely would have been called back for an unsatisfactory start and an all 4 back. Which I feel it should have been anyway. It wasn't an unsatisfactory start though, the start was fine, nobody rolled, nobody jumped the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 BECAUSE in my view, and that's all it is, was first bend bunching, an unsatisfactory start (which doesn't just mean at the tapes), and given that the referee had the option of putting all four back (doubt whether even Nicki would have objected) he could and should have taken it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Why should we accept your opinion when we know you are wrong. Yes everyone can share his/her opinion on a forum but if other people have different opinion they have a debate/argue thats how forums work. I didn't say we should all accept each other's opinions. What I said is there's a way to go about it. No need for people to get personal or nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I didn't say we should all accept each other's opinions. What I said is there's a way to go about it. No need for people to get personal or nasty. You didn't offer an opinion, you said something that was incorrect. i.e. that Gollob was 'left no room'. That was false. You could have Ivan or Briggo or PC saying it should have been all four back and the usual bsf suspects would still be arguing that they know better and are right, lol! It doesn't matter what anyone said, by the rules of the sport Gollob was the cause of the stoppage and so was excluded. Normally the referees don't apply that particular rule when its 1st bend hence riders and fans alike assume it will be All 4 back each time. I assumed the same, but couldn't argue with the referees decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 You could have Ivan or Briggo or PC saying it should have been all four back and the usual bsf suspects would still be arguing that they know better and are right, lol! Had it been Greg Hancock and Chris Holder involved I would suggest a large percentage of riders and bsf "suspects" would have different views. Purely my opinion of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 ...should a rider have to fall off to be deemed a victim of foul riding.... Indeed, the Didier Drogba question... Having seen incidents where riders pile into the fence on the 2nd bend be deemed to be an unsatisfactory start, then this is no less a candidate for a similar verdict. So Gollob drifted out a little to get a better angle going into the first turn...well if that's what gets a rider excluded, then let's look at everyone who doesn't go parallel with the safety fence out of gates 3 and 4 in their approach to the first bend as well. What's good for the goose and all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Still ignoring the expert opinion, can't say I'm surprised. Quite. If he's ever seen all four riders stick to their lanes ten yards from the start then he's talking total garbage. Riders move in , riders move out. This was no different if not for the footrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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