BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Still ignoring the expert opinion, can't say I'm surprised. Who needs opinion when there are rules? They clearly state the rider who caused the stoppage should be excluded. Gollob caused the stoppage. Not my fault so many don't know the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It wasn't an unsatisfactory start though, the start was fine, nobody rolled, nobody jumped the gate. But the unsatisfactory start rule has covered all sorts of 1st and 2nd bend incidents over the years. Generally resulting in an "all 4 back". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Another opinion on the race from Germany.In fact it is from one of our old members "german speedway fan" Who states the ref was the only one in the stadium to think Gollob should be excluded. "gsf"'s version is Gollob moved slightly to the right and clashed with Nicki who was moving inside into Gollob.......Having watched the race on youtube I can't agree that Nicki moved inwards at all,so maybe it was just the guys opinion from watching in the stadium and he hasn't had the chance to see any replays? http://www.speedweek.com/speedwayem/news/78358/SEC-Landshut-Sayfutdinov-siegt-Smoli-steigert-sich.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Over the year I've become used to the " Ermobollocks " that comes out of Sams' mouth during a meeting , but last night I though he was unbelievable when giving his opinion on the incident during the final his complete bias against NP and his attempt to try and blame him for the incident was ridiculous it was clearly obvious that Nick was going straight and that Thomasz moved across into him , weather or not it should've been all four back is another matter altogether some refs would've made that others wouldn't of last nights didn't that's the problem with refs in most sports it's all about personal interpretation of an incident . What an awful spell of whether 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 But the unsatisfactory start rule has covered all sorts of 1st and 2nd bend incidents over the years. Generally resulting in an "all 4 back". I totally agree.. in this case though only one rider was at fault. As I said earlier I wouldn't have batted an eyelid had it been all 4 back.. just that I can see why the referee made the decision he did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I thought the ref was spot on to exclude gollob last night from the final, I also thought sudden Sam only disagreed with the descision as it was pedersen, had it been pedersen taking Hancock off in the same situation his opinion would of been different I felt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I thought the ref was spot on to exclude gollob last night from the final, I also thought sudden Sam only disagreed with the descision as it was pedersen, had it been pedersen taking Hancock off in the same situation his opinion would of been different I felt. It was Gollob at fault as he went right handed into Pedersen and took him off. Gollob commited a clear offence. Sam Ermolenko was biased in commentary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I've said for a long time that far too many referees will far too often call all 4 back on any 1st bend incident - Tony Steele will do it going down the back straight! They're all basically bottling a decision and should grow a pair. Gollob caused the crash, he should go, balls to all this, "it could have been all 4 back", no, if Gollob caused a crash he should go. I'd also not stand for the rider on gate 4 coming out of the gate at a funny angle and trying to get across the other 3, colliding with the guy off 3 and going down. Thats no bunching, thats the guy off 4 riding into the guy off 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 My photo's from a great event in Landshut here: http://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/776/emil-sayfutdinov-wint-tweede-ronde-ek-speedway-in-landshut.html Roll on Kumla in a few weeks time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Roll on Kumla...i'll second that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Did anyone who actually knows what they are talking about agree with the referee?Yes on both the ref made the right call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I've said for a long time that far too many referees will far too often call all 4 back on any 1st bend incident - Tony Steele will do it going down the back straight! They're all basically bottling a decision and should grow a pair. Gollob caused the crash, he should go, balls to all this, "it could have been all 4 back", no, if Gollob caused a crash he should go. I'd also not stand for the rider on gate 4 coming out of the gate at a funny angle and trying to get across the other 3, colliding with the guy off 3 and going down. Thats no bunching, thats the guy off 4 riding into the guy off 3. in fact it seems to be almost a policy in the Euros not to go 4 back when there is a first bend crash. there was another instance in this meeting where the rider in yellow came down and was excluded where normally it would be all 4 back, and i seem to recall a couple of instances from the first meeting as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 in fact it seems to be almost a policy in the Euros not to go 4 back when there is a first bend crash. there was another instance in this meeting where the rider in yellow came down and was excluded where normally it would be all 4 back, and i seem to recall a couple of instances from the first meeting as well. That was heat 20. Where Pawlicki off gate 1 swept out wide in a Gollob-esq way. Thats where this decision does fall down, having allowed Pawlicki to do it, Gollob should have been allowed. Personally, I'd have excluded Pawlicki in heat 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 All 4 back for me. You see it in virtually every heat in different gates riders coming across the line. If there are going to be exclusions for this the riders who don't make the gate can easily not try to avoid a collision but take it and then get another go with possibly an opponent less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Finally managed to watch the latest SEC last night. Thought immediately Gollob at fault for heading right thus causing the tangle. Couldn't believe the stunned reaction from commentators, then again Sam does talk crap. You would never think he was a top rider based on his opinions. Recall Hans Nielsen used to get away with this move often. Right call from ref in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Fredka got the Kumla wildcard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Fredka got the Kumla wildcard Who? https://twitter.com/FLindgren66/status/623473185850281984 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I must admit I don't know who Fredka is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I must admit I don't know who Fredka is. I will give you a clue-He`s Swedish and rides for Wolverhampton and his name isn`t Karlsson or Thorsell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 The SEC continues next weekend in Kumla, Sweden. 1. Przemyslaw Pawlicki (Poland) #592. Martin Vaculik (Slovakia) #543. Grigory Laguta (Russia) #74. Janusz Kołodziej (Poland) #275. Fredrik Lindgren (Sweden) WC6. Nicki Pedersen (Denmark) #37. Artem Laguta (Russia) #2228. Peter Kildemand (Denmark) 259. Vaclav Milik (Czech Republic) #1310. Hans Andersen (Denmark) #3411. Emil Sayfutdinov (Russia) #8912. Tomasz Gollob (Poland) #2013. Piotr Protasiewicz (Poland) #15114. Martin Smolinski (Germany) #8415. Antonio Lindback (Sweden) #8516. Tomasz Jędrzejak (Poland) #79--17. Joel Andersson (Sweden)18. Fredrik Engman (Sweden) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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