BWitcher Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because Gollob was already a head and was left very little room. That said in 99% of other meetings that most likely would have been a call for all 4 back. What planet are you on? Ermolenko planet? Nicki hadn't even started to turn into the corner!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 What planet are you on? Ermolenko planet? Nicki hadn't even started to turn into the corner!! As I said my opinion. Everybody sees things differently as the ref showed tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Had Nicki been gollob, would it still be all 4 back?? Or would he be being charged with attempted murder by now?? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 It's funny, this was the clearest case of an "unsatisfactory start" which of course is the rule rather than this first bend bunching bollox people come out with that I've seen for ages. Though if someone had to be excluded then it was Gollob. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because Gollob was already a head and was left very little room. That said in 99% of other meetings that most likely would have been a call for all 4 back. If Gollob had little room then it was his own fault since he steered over into Nicki's line. Had he stayed in his own line he would have had more space. Was it unfortunate ? I think not since Gollob had planned to steer into Nicki's line already before the start by the look lf how he had his bike lined up. Possibly the referee should have excluded Gollob already before tapes up for not being ready when the 2 min time expired, since his bike was inproperly aligned. Anyhow it does not matter if it was unfortunate or not. since unfortunate things happen all the time but riders still gets excluded if they cause the heat to stopped or if they fall on their own and clear the track. Unfortunate or not, cause another rider to fall or crash you get excluded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 As I said my opinion. Everybody sees things differently as the ref showed tonight. That's not an opinion, its made up rubbish. The evidence conclusively showed Nicki didn't move from his line, which was heading straight. The evidence conclusively showed Gollob veered to the right and into Nicki. Nobody is arguing that except for you. The argument is whether it should have been All 4 back or not. There isn't a scenario except in your head that Nicki could have been excluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipphlopp Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Surprised no ones bothered about the cheating by Pawlicki to let Gollob through in his last ride. Blatently obvious. Was like Penhall , without the wheelies. Edited July 11, 2015 by phlipphlop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 That's not an opinion, its made up rubbish. The evidence conclusively showed Nicki didn't move from his line, which was heading straight. Nobody is arguing that except for you. Wow somebody needs to chill. Please can you point me to the post where I am "arguing on the subject?" Maybe someday you will realise that not everybody has to have the same opinion. You don't always need to be aggressive in your posts to people. The clue is in the fact it's a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Wow somebody needs to chill. Please can you point me to the post where I am "arguing on the subject?" Maybe someday you will realise that not everybody has to have the same opinion. You don't always need to be aggressive in your posts to people. The clue is in the fact it's a forum. It's not an opinion, you're just making stuff up. It makes as much sense as me saying it was Emils fault because he knocked them off. It didn't happen. Nicki didn't turn left AT ALL. Bsf usual suspects v industry experts? Hmm... Come on chaps, there must be at least one rider who's been on twatter agreeing with you lot, lol! If Nicki had done what Gollob did, every rider would be in agreement Edited July 11, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Wow somebody needs to chill. Please can you point me to the post where I am "arguing on the subject?" Maybe someday you will realise that not everybody has to have the same opinion. You don't always need to be aggressive in your posts to people. The clue is in the fact it's a forum. It is not just me then mdmc82? if you don't agree with the bloke he acts like a child who has just had his sweets taken off of him. Edited July 12, 2015 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 THAT'S your opinion and one you are quite entitled to but plenty think the referee could and should have put all four back and not deprived the fans of a four rider final. No consideration for fans ... I cannot believe your comment The umpires at the test match started it - excluding both Ian Bell and Joe Root when they were just forty runs short of centuries, thereby depriving the crowd of seeing them reach 100 - don't suppose the Aussies would have minded if they'd not been given out So, in your world of sport, let's do away with competition rules and regulations, and do what's best for the spectators - I'm sure Bees and Tigers fans felt deprived at the GP when the referee excluded Garrity, and deprived them of seeing their young favourite ride in the rerun PS. Why do you always shout the first word? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Nicki was not ever to blame regardless of all four back or the way it actually ended. He was going straight as a ruler in his own line, and who on earth would ram their front wheel into a foot peg on purpose? It wasn't a pretty fall and a concussion is never far away. Pleased with Antonio on the rostrum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Oh how the GP needs Emil. Whoever becomes World Champion this year deserves the title because he will have finished ahead of all the other GP riders. However, he can only beat the riders put in front of him. Emil is streets ahead of most of this year's GP field, as is Grigorij when on top form. I was very impressed with Lindbaeck last night too. Whatever the financial and political machinations, a GP field without the best riders is a devalued product. Barring injury I expect Emil to retain his European title. As a GP rider I fully expect him to become World Champion. I for one enjoy SEC more than GP and I suspect I am not alone. Hopefully the behind the scenes problems can be sorted and Emil gets a wildcard entry for next year's GP series. It will be all the better for it. I what other sport is the European Champion denied a chance to try for the World Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) PS. Why do you always shout the first word? A LIFETIME of writing for magazines and newspapers and starting with the first word in capitals... I do it with letters, emails, etc. Sorry if it offends Edited July 12, 2015 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Oh how the GP needs Emil. Whoever becomes World Champion this year deserves the title because he will have finished ahead of all the other GP riders. However, he can only beat the riders put in front of him. Emil is streets ahead of most of this year's GP field, as is Grigorij when on top form. I was very impressed with Lindbaeck last night too. Whatever the financial and political machinations, a GP field without the best riders is a devalued product. Barring injury I expect Emil to retain his European title. As a GP rider I fully expect him to become World Champion. I for one enjoy SEC more than GP and I suspect I am not alone. Hopefully the behind the scenes problems can be sorted and Emil gets a wildcard entry for next year's GP series. It will be all the better for it. I what other sport is the European Champion denied a chance to try for the World Championship? Whilst agreeing with some of what you say, Tai is well above Emil at the moment. Emil isn't being 'denied' anything either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 The umpires at the test match started it - excluding both Ian Bell and Joe Root when they were just forty runs short of centuries, thereby depriving the crowd of seeing them reach 100 - don't suppose the Aussies would have minded if they'd not been given out So, in your world of sport, let's do away with competition rules and regulations, and do what's best for the spectators - I'm sure Bees and Tigers fans felt deprived at the GP when the referee excluded Garrity, and deprived them of seeing their young favourite ride in the rerun PS. Why do you always shout the first word? WASN'T it W G Grace who, when given out by an umpire, refused to leave saying that the crowd had come to see him bat not the umpires umpire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 We can't know if Tai is well above Emil or vice versa as Tai is not riding SEC and Emil is not riding GP. I can't get to grips re the reason Emil is not riding GP, but as he is not part of the field he is being denied the chance to become World Champion. Of course, if he was offered a wildcard and declined to accept he is denying himself, but the GP series is still the worse for his absence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Over the year I've become used to the " Ermobollocks " that comes out of Sams' mouth during a meeting , but last night I though he was unbelievable when giving his opinion on the incident during the final his complete bias against NP and his attempt to try and blame him for the incident was ridiculous it was clearly obvious that Nick was going straight and that Thomasz moved across into him , weather or not it should've been all four back is another matter altogether some refs would've made that others wouldn't of last nights didn't that's the problem with refs in most sports it's all about personal interpretation of an incident . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Rotten decision imo, should have been all 4 back. Not a bad meeting - good to see Mr G doing himself justice and delighted Emil won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Bsf usual suspects v industry experts? Hmm... Come on chaps, there must be at least one rider who's been on twatter agreeing with you lot, lol! Since when have riders been seen to make a correct decision. When does a rider agree he was the cause of a stoppage, or got a flier. Rather too near the sharp end to be completetly unbiased, and you call them industry specialists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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