foreverblue Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Nicki has won many many meetings without any incident?? Dont really see what point you are making? Consentrating on isolated incidents, half of which are racing incidents is poor really... Yes hes wrong a few times but not as much as the whinging monster team want us to believe.... Bet you were gutted watching a true racer winning in that style last night eh Not gutted at all i like to watch great racing on a great racetrack, Nicki is always box office and the sport will miss him when he doesn't ride anymore and he is one of the best riders in the world, he doesn't have to resort to dirty tactics to win. Oh dear. As earlier, and many others agree, the whole meeting was full of moves along the lines of what Nicki did to Greg. Lines were CONSTANTLY taken. Riders were having to shut off or be stuffed in the fence, some didn't and traded elbows whilst scraping the fence.. options Greg had, but chose not to utilise. In other words, it takes two (or more) to have a really good hard race. Options Greg didn't have any as Nicki left him no option. Edited June 21, 2015 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Really good meeting but was surprised when Kildemand picked red in the semi instead of yellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Really good meeting but was surprised when Kildemand picked red in the semi instead of yellow DIDN'T do Emil much good in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 DIDN'T do Emil much good in the final Agree but picking yellow got Pawel through to the final, also it would have got me a few more points on bash the bookie if he scored in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Far better than the Grand Prix's even though we missed the first three heats. I wonder what people would prefer like as it was last night or a recording of the whole meeting from heat one? I would would start from heat one but skip the gaps between races, wouldn't take long to catch up to "live"Just my preference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Now thats what you call speedway! Hope Greg was watching might learn something about what to do if another rider takes your line. Yes well done Nicki, shows you can win meetings cleanly without the need to put other riders at risk of serious injury.Nicki just rode as he normally does its just the other riders were not worried about him and just got on with it. it goes to show that there is some talent missing from the GPs,this is an excellent advert for the sport,no Mickey Mouse home made tracks made it more exciting as the rider can get stuck on without being thrown all over the place with ruts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yep superb racing. But did I see an attendance figure of 7500? Shows that fans pay to see speedway in a top notch stadium, not based on quality of racing surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yep superb racing. But did I see an attendance figure of 7500? Shows that fans pay to see speedway in a top notch stadium, not based on quality of racing surface. 7500 at Torun - that's considered a good attendance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 7500 at Torun - that's considered a good attendance?My point was that we had 55000 to see the warsaw debacle. Will have 40kish at cardiff. Even Around 8000 in Prague where racing is notoriously poor. But 7.5k in torun. How many in bydgosh last year?(albeit clashing with women's basketball), both tracks where racing is almost guaranteed to be good. My point was that attendance is barely linked to expected quality of racing, at least as a "standalone" feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 But 7.5k in torun. How many in bydgosh last year?(albeit clashing with women's basketball), both tracks where racing is almost guaranteed to be good. My point was that attendance is barely linked to expected quality of racing, at least as a "standalone" feature. Torun is a very decent stadium as well though. I think what it says is that OneSport aren't the salvation that some claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Any ideas if this is repeated on eurosport / on YouTube?Here Polish commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ri5E1KxsRk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hope Greg was watching might learn something about what to do if another rider takes your line. Nicki just rode as he normally does its just the other riders were not worried about him and just got on with it. it goes to show that there is some talent missing from the GPs,this is an excellent advert for the sport,no Mickey Mouse home made tracks made it more exciting as the rider can get stuck on without being thrown all over the place with ruts. I don't think Greg needs to learn anything, he is racing and all he needs is room to race, if someone is going to take his front wheel when he is already close to the fence,then then he isn't being allowed to race. Nicki rode this meeting as we all know he can, he is a fantastic rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 My point was that we had 55000 to see the warsaw debacle. Will have 40kish at cardiff. Even Around 8000 in Prague where racing is notoriously poor. But 7.5k in torun. How many in bydgosh last year?(albeit clashing with women's basketball), both tracks where racing is almost guaranteed to be good. My point was that attendance is barely linked to expected quality of racing, at least as a "standalone" feature. I would think that was more because it was a Grand Prix whereas the Euros are just glorified open meetings. I watched this and must admit that it never really held my interest. There were some good races, which I enjoyed urely as racing, but the outcome didn't mean enough for me to care who won. Hopefully the crowd attendance is an indication that people are recognising that the Grand Prix is the proper championship despite the Russians seeming to put more significance in these meetings than FIM meetings. What a shame that Emil, in particular is not in the GP. He could go down in history as a great rider if he rides in the World Championshis, but if he doesn't he wil never amount to anything in the future no matter how often he wins meetings like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 It was a good meeting to watch and, as we all know, on a track that can be raced on. As to the quality of the entrants compared to the World GP series, rarely if ever, has the world championship had the top 16 riders in the world in it, and I say that considering the one off world title meetings and the gran prix series. Sure you could take some of those riding in the European championship and they would fit nicely into the gran prix series, but it isnt going to happen, so we get on with what we got. And in my opinion there is probably only one rider, Emil, that is consistent enough to warrant slotting into the gran prix series to replace a rider already in the world series.. From the rest, yes they can race well, very well at times, but are not consistent enough, and I am talking here about the Laguta brothers, Vaculik, and some others. Lets face it, they all have a chance of going through the qualifiers or having a permanent wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 It was a good meeting to watch and, as we all know, on a track that can be raced on. As to the quality of the entrants compared to the World GP series, rarely if ever, has the world championship had the top 16 riders in the world in it, and I say that considering the one off world title meetings and the gran prix series. Sure you could take some of those riding in the European championship and they would fit nicely into the gran prix series, but it isnt going to happen, so we get on with what we got. And in my opinion there is probably only one rider, Emil, that is consistent enough to warrant slotting into the gran prix series to replace a rider already in the world series.. From the rest, yes they can race well, very well at times, but are not consistent enough, and I am talking here about the Laguta brothers, Vaculik, and some others. Lets face it, they all have a chance of going through the qualifiers or having a permanent wild card. If Vaculik and the Laguta brothers are not better than Harris, Batchelor and THJ then I must be blind 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) It was a good meeting to watch and, as we all know, on a track that can be raced on. As to the quality of the entrants compared to the World GP series, rarely if ever, has the world championship had the top 16 riders in the world in it, and I say that considering the one off world title meetings and the gran prix series. Sure you could take some of those riding in the European championship and they would fit nicely into the gran prix series, but it isnt going to happen, so we get on with what we got. And in my opinion there is probably only one rider, Emil, that is consistent enough to warrant slotting into the gran prix series to replace a rider already in the world series.. From the rest, yes they can race well, very well at times, but are not consistent enough, and I am talking here about the Laguta brothers, Vaculik, and some others. Lets face it, they all have a chance of going through the qualifiers or having a permanent wild card. Agree but I would add Kildemand to the GP list.THJ and Harris are not consistent at GP level either though. Edited June 22, 2015 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Gotta blame the fim for encouraging this scenario where speedway fans will never get to see all the best speedway riders racing to be World Champion! Hope they are happy, prats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Gotta blame the fim for encouraging this scenario where speedway fans will never get to see all the best speedway riders racing to be World Champion! Hope they are happy, prats. Do explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Very puzzling. Who are the top riders missing: Darcy - entirely his fault Emil - entirely his own choice/that of his advisors Lagutas - didn't bother trying to qualify Kildermand - failed to qualify,probably lost out on a 50/50 call vs mjj for wildcard Vaculik - said he wanted a couple of years out of GPS? If your point is money, yes they probably should be paid more. But that didn't stop the world's top riders historically trying to be world champs. We have a qualifying system now which is arguably better than any previous system in terms of ensuring the strongest line up. So in your opinion what are fim doing so wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) They sold off speedway's crown jewels, the World Championship, just when the digital age was born. Now we have OneSport and their European Championship which pays more and attracts the riders above who really should be racing in the World Championship. It's turning into a scenario like boxing, darts etc Pees me off ..... Oh and times have changed from years ago, people are different and have different expectations. Edited June 22, 2015 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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