springdale Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 The reason the match was not completed was because instead of getting on with the meeting as the Referee did at Poole, as soon as one heat was over the next 2 mins was on for the next heat. I just couldn't believe that with the threat of rain about why on earth did sky do all those interviews, there was one after every race in the first three heats alone, crazy, and as for Hans saying he wanted to carry on, only done for the camera's no wonder someone shouted "b8lls8it" when he was being interviewed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I guess Brock is a Poole supporter, if so I think Poole are the last group of people to be calling Coventry hypocritical bearing in mind their conduct over the last few years! Yes I am a Poole supporter, Have been for over 55 years. So you are saying that, as you say Poole have allegedly cheated in the past it is OK for others to cheat now. I did not say Cov had cheated, I was saying that some Cov supporters wanted them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 A new rule just for one night then? Can't wait for the next time it happens and the rider gets excluded. Should be interesting. I actually don't think it is a problem, and nice to see a ref using common sense. Provided at the start of each meeting the referee makes the team managers aware of his/her rules regarding tapes when windy, no problem. Just needs to be consistent through the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabashir Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Totally agree with the comments on here that the reasons for the decision and the views of the folks involved in the decision to abandon should be made public. I'd go a step further and also ask for the same if there is a question of whether to abandon and it's decided to continue. I've commented on another thread that refs leave too long between heats generally. The way that Christina Turnbull ran the meeting at Poole on Thursday demonstrated how a meeting could be run and get the entire meeting done in under 75 mins, which included a 10 minute break for the rain to ease. I know Sky want to egg it all up in the name of showbiz but the delay to the start and slow progress through it has robbed both teams of properly deciding the final on the track. 1 man gained from 3 less heats being run tonight. One of the few people not interviewed after the meeting. Nobody else seemed to want it off and seemed to be confused about why the last 3 heats were off. Who were you talking about SCB? The first sentence I assumed it was Matt Ford but there was an interview with him at the end. Also seemed that Bomber agreed with the decision to call it off from what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I think it is used as a finish line for many now, getting to the stage of a match when a result can be called, that it seems like a case of "job done" for a lot of tracks. We hear Nigel Pearson state it all the time... about a result being called after so many heats... With the problems we have been having with rain, time wasting etc... would it not be more logical to return to 13 heats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lino wolf Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Yes I am a Poole supporter, Have been for over 55 years. So you are saying that, as you say Poole have allegedly cheated in the past it is OK for others to cheat now. I did not say Cov had cheated, I was saying that some Cov supporters wanted them to. Do you really believe barker is fit ?? Would you want him riding if he was a pirate ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Totally agree with the comments on here that the reasons for the decision and the views of the folks involved in the decision to abandon should be made public. I'd go a step further and also ask for the same if there is a question of whether to abandon and it's decided to continue. I've commented on another thread that refs leave too long between heats generally. The way that Christina Turnbull ran the meeting at Poole on Thursday demonstrated how a meeting could be run and get the entire meeting done in under 75 mins, which included a 10 minute break for the rain to ease. I know Sky want to egg it all up in the name of showbiz but the delay to the start and slow progress through it has robbed both teams of properly deciding the final on the track. Who were you talking about SCB? The first sentence I assumed it was Matt Ford but there was an interview with him at the end. Also seemed that Bomber agreed with the decision to call it off from what he said. Perhaps SCB meant Horton as he had less wages to pay out. Do you really believe barker is fit ?? Would you want him riding if he was a pirate ?? Well he said he was fit. Who am I to call him a liar. No I would not want him riding as a pirate under any circumstances. Yes I do know he rode for us a few years ago at Easty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Yes I am a Poole supporter, Have been for over 55 years. So you are saying that, as you say Poole have allegedly cheated in the past it is OK for others to cheat now. I did not say Cov had cheated, I was saying that some Cov supporters wanted them to. . No what we are saying is that even Havelock doesn't feel Ben is fit but once a rider declares themself fit there's nothing anybody can do even if he's only 50% fit. Surely you accept now then that Poole were cheating only a few weeks ago. Did you feel the same then when Shamak was able to ride in polish fixtures and speedway Gp challenger but yet Poole were still getting guests and claiming he was "injured" even though riding elsewhere? Does that mean you feel they were cheating for several weeks this season? Edited October 18, 2014 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lino wolf Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Perhaps SCB meant Horton as he had less wages to pay out. Well he said he was fit. Who am I to call him a liar. No I would not want him riding as a pirate under any circumstances. Yes I do know he rode for us a few years ago at Easty I know barker said he was fit i was asking 'did you think he was fit after seeing him ride 4 races last night ' ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 It has been for Nigel because the Sky Sports won the EL again. And yes I know its not over but it is unless Coventry find a way to defeat Poole, Sky and the meeting steward along with the weather in the second leg. That's what's fans are saying though. How is it fair on coventry (kings Lynn in semi or Swindon if had reached final) when already up against it before turn of a wheel when worked hard to get there all year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I agree to some on here about the meeting being called off, paying 20 quid for 12 heats isnt good value is it and it could have been completed before the rain came, should have started at 7.30 sharp and interviews could have been shorter, all round poor performance from sky. Hans saying they all wanted to race but Harris had a different view didnt seem to show unity! Hans should have ridden better earlier in the meeting, maybe he was upset with his performance and wasnt given the opportunity to make amends Yes but to really have a go at him when he had just fallen trying his best was a bit ott in my view Watching the replay, barker did have a sly look to see how race was going then got up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 . No what we are saying is that even Havelock doesn't feel Ben is fit but once a rider declares themself fit there's nothing anybody can do even if he's only 50% fit. Surely you accept now then that Poole were cheating only a few weeks ago. Did you feel the same then when Shamak was able to ride in polish fixtures and speedway Gp challenger but yet Poole were still getting guests and claiming he was "injured" even though riding elsewhere? Does that mean you feel they were cheating for several weeks this season? Has it not been said that Pawlicki was told to ride by his club although injured. Did not score very many points did he. Any rider however fit if possible will ride in a GP challenge meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Has it not been said that Pawlicki was told to ride by his club although injured. Did not score very many points did he. Any rider however fit if possible will ride in a GP challenge meeting. irrelevent number of points he scored - he rode. seem to remember this happening last season with Pawlicki and Janowski riding on the continent then not at Eastbourne i believe then abroad again. bit rich to judge other clubs. Coventry could easily have declared Barker as not fit and had someone else in. They didnt. The fact that some fans wish they had someone else is irrelevent. Wouldnt we all wish we could have a better option in our team sometimes. Fact is they rode with their 1-7 so to try and make out there is something in this is a bit daft really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejigger Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) More nonsense from Havelock on the Coventry report of last night's match : “We had the best gate positions in Heats 13 and 15, and obviously Poole were going to want it off, but they rode in much worse than that on Thursday and did all 15 heats, so why didn’t they call that off? This is a Final, and we had three heats to go." So (a)The rain was certainly heavier at Coventry (b)There appears to be no thought of the riders subsequently getting injured in the pouring rain with visibilty impaired and does he not know the regulations - '15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting'. Since King's Lynn were always behind on aggregate on Thursday, why would they request a halt ? Edited October 18, 2014 by bluejigger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROCK Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I know barker said he was fit i was asking 'did you think he was fit after seeing him ride 4 races last night ' ?? Yes I do. He rode with his usual aggression on a very tricky track. Got himself in some good positions only to make a mistake and lose it. Plus of course he is a bit race rusty. He will probably be better at Poole, But of course I hope not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 As a rider Havelock was superb in his day. As a manager of Coventry Speedway - utter rubbish. He really needs to keep away from giving comments/interviews on live television as he comes across as extremely naive. And it was not only this meeting that that has happened. Such a rubbish manager that his team is in the Grand Final! Were you at Lakeside a few weeks ago when his team thrashed them?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coventry1963 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Just a quick mention to Matt Wiliamson for his sportsmanship in clearing track after fall when Milik behind Howarth in heat 7 last night. Warm round of applause from all around me as he walked off and there was no suggestion of him staying down to give Milik another go at making the gate in a re-run. He tried hard all night in difficult conditions and got no reward for his efforts, it would have been easy for him to ensure a re-run but chose not to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Yes Brock is a poole fan, cant believe you questioned our conduct, where were the fireworks last night!!Did you see the rain?! Fireworks and rain don't mix very well!More nonsense from Havelock on the Coventry report of last night's match :We had the best gate positions in Heats 13 and 15, and obviously Poole were going to want it off, but they rode in much worse than that on Thursday and did all 15 heats, so why didnt they call that off? This is a Final, and we had three heats to go."So (a)The rain was certainly heavier at Coventry (b)There appears to be no thought of the riders subsequently getting injured in the pouring rain with visibilty impaired and does he not know the regulations - '15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting'. Since King's Lynn were always behind on aggregate on Thursday, why would they request a halt ?The reports I have read almost exclusively said that the rain was worse on Thursday (what I saw on the telly, I tend to agree) . What Havvy has said is true - they did have the better gates to come - but the results are a lottery in those conditions (the night before Schlein had an E/F when on a paid win! With regards your second point - rider safety didn't come into it the night before so not a solid point you are making. Coventry did NOT ask for a track inspection or for the meeting to be called off - it seems the meeting steward made that decision! Edited October 18, 2014 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Yes Brock is a poole fan, cant believe you questioned our conduct, where were the fireworks last night!! Fireworks? I don't think Coventry have ever had fireworks thank goodness, apart from at the final meeting of the season. I think I'm right in saying they were banned as well a few years ago while Sandhu was in charge because of complaints from the residents. ......Moxey63......It proved last night. Coventry v Poole in the A and B fixtures possibly produced less than a thousand at each. I'm glad you said possibly because no way has there ever been less than a thousand at Coventry for an E.L. match. The stadium holds over 12,000 so obviously there are a lot of gaps on the terraces. Edited October 18, 2014 by Gemini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 More nonsense from Havelock on the Coventry report of last night's match : “We had the best gate positions in Heats 13 and 15, and obviously Poole were going to want it off, but they rode in much worse than that on Thursday and did all 15 heats, so why didn’t they call that off? This is a Final, and we had three heats to go." So (a)The rain was certainly heavier at Coventry (b)There appears to be no thought of the riders subsequently getting injured in the pouring rain with visibilty impaired and does he not know the regulations - '15.11 After Heat 10 in an official Team fixture, only the Team that is losing may request a track inspection, or seek abandonment of the Meeting'. Since King's Lynn were always behind on aggregate on Thursday, why would they request a halt ? typical response from a blut tint. the track was worse on Thursday than Friday. the point you make about riders being injured isnt a valid point as they did 15 heats on Thursday. Poole fans on here have said '15 heats was run to stop the conspirecy theorists' well that shows no regard for safety. Why do you think it was ok to do 15 heats on Thursday but not on Friday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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