LagutaRacingFan Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kennett is using his PL converted average...Lakeside have cheated massively. AJ and Kennett on fake averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kennett and lawson will Miss a Good few Meeting both missing 5 fridays each for a start Kennett is owned by an EL club so Lakeside get priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kennett is owned by an EL club so Lakeside get priority. well it's not that bad then in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Kennett is owned by an EL club so Lakeside get priority. Not sure that's correct? 16.1.1.1 In the case of a Doubling-Up Rider the priority is: 1. Original Fixture List 2. The “owning” Club (ie. is on that Team’s Retained List) 3. If there is no “ownership” then the PL Club has priority Although that is taken from the 2014 regs so may have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think it was changed for this coming season to if the rider is you asset you take priority obviously Then if neither club owns the rider then the team that is in the same league as the riders asset club takes priority unless the fixture is a rearranged one which clashes with a match that has been on the calendar all season which then the original fixture takes priority regardless of which club owns the rider or not Not sure that's correct? 16.1.1.1 In the case of a Doubling-Up Rider the priority is: 1. Original Fixture List 2. The owning Club (ie. is on that Teams Retained List) 3. If there is no ownership then the PL Club has priority Although that is taken from the 2014 regs so may have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think it was changed for this coming season to if the rider is you asset you take priority obviously Then if neither club owns the rider then the team that is in the same league as the riders asset club takes priority unless the fixture is a rearranged one which clashes with a match that has been on the calendar all season which then the original fixture takes priority regardless of which club owns the rider or not I have been told that only applies to riders in the 1-5, it doesn't apply to fast track reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I believe when he guested for Poole his average was 5.25 which is low for his ability but he did have a poor season and despite all the protestations i don't see why that average shouldn't be used. I know all Birmingham matches were expunged but i don't think rider averages should be affected, nobody was moaning when Danny king joined Lakeside last season, his average didn't revert to the previous season's average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think it was changed for this coming season to if the rider is you asset you take priority obviously Then if neither club owns the rider then the team that is in the same league as the riders asset club takes priority unless the fixture is a rearranged one which clashes with a match that has been on the calendar all season which then the original fixture takes priority regardless of which club owns the rider or not I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I believe when he guested for Poole his average was 5.25 which is low for his ability but he did have a poor season and despite all the protestations i don't see why that average shouldn't be used. I know all Birmingham matches were expunged but i don't think rider averages should be affected, nobody was moaning when Danny king joined Lakeside last season, his average didn't revert to the previous season's average. This is the point, Kings average didn't revert last season but has at some time between him signing for Lakeside and the end of the year had his Birmingham meetings taken away. So he was allowed to sign on his current, including 2014 meeting average of ~6.5 and not his final 2013 rolling average of ~7.5 as that would not have fitted yet once he was signed his Birmingham meeting were removed. BUT Ben Barker was signed for Coventry on his Brum 2014 figure and stayed on that - well using he Danny King rule his average should have reverted to his 2013 final figure giving Coventry greater options for guests (basically Craig Cook or Danny King in addition to Fricke and Summers). Why the lack of consistence that seems to have seen Lakeside gain twice (in signing King and now Kennett) while Coventry lose out twice (guests for Barker and now Kings average). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 This is the point, Kings average didn't revert last season but has at some time between him signing for Lakeside and the end of the year had his Birmingham meetings taken away. So he was allowed to sign on his current, including 2014 meeting average of ~6.5 and not his final 2013 rolling average of ~7.5 as that would not have fitted yet once he was signed his Birmingham meeting were removed. BUT Ben Barker was signed for Coventry on his Brum 2014 figure and stayed on that - well using he Danny King rule his average should have reverted to his 2013 final figure giving Coventry greater options for guests (basically Craig Cook or Danny King in addition to Fricke and Summers). Why the lack of consistence that seems to have seen Lakeside gain twice (in signing King and now Kennett) while Coventry lose out twice (guests for Barker and now Kings average).Probably because the BSPA don't know their ar$e from their elbow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't know about that would seem strange if it was . But this is British speedway so they can't have 1 straight rule they have to try to complicate the situation I have been told that only applies to riders in the 1-5, it doesn't apply to fast track reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Here we go again. A team names a rider, no official details of his average are given, mainly because all the teams have yet to be verified, there is a bit of sensible speculation by a few forum members as to what average he will come in in on then hey prest the chronic complainers arrive telling us something stinks and its supposedly typical nonsense that drives people mad about speedway. The only typical nonsense so far is forum members jumping to conclusions before the details are known. Why not wait until the teams are verified and we know who is on what average and why, then you can complain with something a bit more substantial than mere speculation. Why not announce a rider and his average at the same time? "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015, and will be using his latest EL average which is 6 point something" = no issue. The fact that they haven't implies something is going on.... "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015 (but instead of using his latest EL average which is a bit high, we're going to find a way of using his converted PL average as that works out better for us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Why not announce a rider and his average at the same time? "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015, and will be using his latest EL average which is 6 point something" = no issue. The fact that they haven't implies something is going on.... "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015 (but instead of using his latest EL average which is a bit high, we're going to find a way of using his converted PL average as that works out better for us). Oh really! I agree with you insofaras announcements should include averages applicable (subject to ratification of the final 1 to 7 etc) but to infer that Lakeside are doing something underhand is poppycock. Jon Cook will be aware of what has been mutually agreed by BSPA members (as will all the others charged with team building) and is not, therefore, doing anything not available to others. It is not that Lakeside have history of getting the rub of the green - that honour seems to be reserved for ..... Edited December 18, 2014 by TonyE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Oh really! I agree with you insofaras announcements should include averages applicable (subject to ratification of the final 1 to 7 etc) but to infer that Lakeside are doing something underhand is poppycock. Jon Cook will be aware of what has been mutually agreed by BSPA members (as will all the others charged with team building) and is not, therefore, doing anything not available to others. It is not that Lakeside have history of getting the rub of the green - that honour seems to be reserved for ..... Someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Why not announce a rider and his average at the same time? "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015, and will be using his latest EL average which is 6 point something" = no issue. The fact that they haven't implies something is going on.... "Edward has signed for Lakeside for 2015 (but instead of using his latest EL average which is a bit high, we're going to find a way of using his converted PL average as that works out better for us). Utter tosh. If Lakeside were the only team not announcing the riders average there might be some merit in what you say but the plain fact is that no team have announced there riders averages so why should Lakesides announcement of Kennet include his average ? As I said before all the teams riders and team building averages have yet to be verified and until they do you are simply looking for something to moan about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I have never been a fan of Jon Cook for what he tried to do to us (Arena Essex) when he was at Eastbourne and whilst he seems to have turned over a new leaf i doubt i will ever forgive him, however for others to suggest something is going on at Lakeside could not be further from the truth, we often bend over backwards to play fair even though a lot of the time we are making life harder for ourselves in the process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Utter tosh. If Lakeside were the only team not announcing the riders average there might be some merit in what you say but the plain fact is that no team have announced there riders averages so why should Lakesides announcement of Kennet include his average ? As I said before all the teams riders and team building averages have yet to be verified and until they do you are simply looking for something to moan about. Surely teams that have announced riders and some with full teams have had the averages verified.Or else some teams may have gone over the 34 point limit or indeed further under the 34 points which may have enabled them to strengthen more.I wouldn't mind betting every club knows what average their riders have in their respective teams,it's just us fans that always seem to be left in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Oh really! I agree with you insofaras announcements should include averages applicable (subject to ratification of the final 1 to 7 etc) but to infer that Lakeside are doing something underhand is poppycock. Jon Cook will be aware of what has been mutually agreed by BSPA members (as will all the others charged with team building) and is not, therefore, doing anything not available to others. It is not that Lakeside have history of getting the rub of the green - that honour seems to be reserved for ..... This is the point, Kings average didn't revert last season but has at some time between him signing for Lakeside and the end of the year had his Birmingham meetings taken away. So he was allowed to sign on his current, including 2014 meeting average of ~6.5 and not his final 2013 rolling average of ~7.5 as that would not have fitted yet once he was signed his Birmingham meeting were removed. BUT Ben Barker was signed for Coventry on his Brum 2014 figure and stayed on that - well using he Danny King rule his average should have reverted to his 2013 final figure giving Coventry greater options for guests (basically Craig Cook or Danny King in addition to Fricke and Summers). Why the lack of consistence that seems to have seen Lakeside gain twice (in signing King and now Kennett) while Coventry lose out twice (guests for Barker and now Kings average). This business about averages seems straightforward to me. This involves three riders all, of whom, were in the Brummies' line-up at the start of the 2014 season. Danny was signed on 7.46, Ben 6.47 and Ed 6.39. Then, during the 2014 season, their averages changed resulting in new figures by the time Birmingham dropped out. Ed was released before then and, at that time, was carrying an average of 5.48 which moved to 5.25 following Greensheets issued wef. 1st July. Danny's had dropped to 6.71 and Ben's 5.94. Later, Ben signed for Coventry on, surprise surprise, 5.94, and Danny for Lakeside 6.71. Now for 2015. Danny has joined Coventry on 6.74, his final EL average in 2014 and confirmed on the Bees' website. Ed will be 5.25 and Ben, if signed up in the EL, will be 5.85. Edited December 18, 2014 by tocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I have never been a fan of Jon Cook for what he tried to do to us (Arena Essex) when he was at Eastbourne and whilst he seems to have turned over a new leaf i doubt i will ever forgive him, however for others to suggest something is going on at Lakeside could not be further from the truth, we often bend over backwards to play fair even though a lot of the time we are making life harder for ourselves in the process. well he certainly chickened out when ford called off the match 2013, surely he had it in his power to refuse any bribes of payment for travel expenses and expected poole to stick to the agreed fixture, poole were even told by the scb to revert back but didnt and then concocted this ''agreement'' with lakeside cook shouild of had the ''balls'' to stick up for his team and the rules...... but for that lakeside would of probably of been in the playoffs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I have never been a fan of Jon Cook for what he tried to do to us (Arena Essex) when he was at Eastbourne Please tell as I cannot remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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