SCB Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 How does that square with 17.3.5? No idea how it works!! I can only assume that until the season starts the "previous season" is still 2013. Any rider moving leagues for a season has always been able to move back on his old average - take Palm Toft at Workington this year, moving back to the PL on his 2013 figure and not his 2014 EL figure converted. If we're going to read 17.3.5 as you have (and I don't think it's unreasonable) then Palm Toft is on the wrong figure at Workington using the PL equivalent rule (18.6.4). Personally, I don't care which is used but I fail to see how Palm Toft can go back on his real PL average and Kennett comes back on a converted average! Anyway, the other issue is we're looking at last years rulebook. Until the 2015 book comes out (mid-Feb in '14 I seem to remember) we're all taking guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 No idea how it works!! I can only assume that until the season starts the "previous season" is still 2013. Any rider moving leagues for a season has always been able to move back on his old average - take Palm Toft at Workington this year, moving back to the PL on his 2013 figure and not his 2014 EL figure converted. If we're going to read 17.3.5 as you have (and I don't think it's unreasonable) then Palm Toft is on the wrong figure at Workington using the PL equivalent rule (18.6.4). Personally, I don't care which is used but I fail to see how Palm Toft can go back on his real PL average and Kennett comes back on a converted average! Anyway, the other issue is we're looking at last years rulebook. Until the 2015 book comes out (mid-Feb in '14 I seem to remember) we're all taking guesses. Well said SCB someones in the wrong here😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Why can't they just use whatever Kennetts average was before Birminghams results were expunged? Or is that too simple. It was still a real EL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 IF Birmingham meetings have been removed from averages then Kennett should signed on his previous EL average and NOT a converted average as per the rules. And looking at Danny Kings average, it looks like 2014 Birmingham meetings have been removed. I agree - whatever team he would have signed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Why can't they just use whatever Kennetts average was before Birminghams results were expunged? Or is that too simple. It was still a real EL average. Because those that rode EL in 2014 have had their 'normal' averages skewed by the Fast Track Reserves scenario.- i.e. heat leaders tougher rides and second strings easier rides. The problem is of the BSPA's own making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Because those that rode EL in 2014 have had their 'normal' averages skewed by the Fast Track Reserves scenario.- i.e. heat leaders tougher rides and second strings easier rides. The problem is of the BSPA's own making. All the more reason why EK should be on his EL average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thing is, by letting Kennett move up on his converted PL average you're punishing Coventry (via King) because King rode 5 meetings for Lakeside - 5 meetings he could only ride using his Brum average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thing is, by letting Kennett move up on his converted PL average you're punishing Coventry (via King) because King rode 5 meetings for Lakeside - 5 meetings he could only ride using his Brum average. All the new starting averages have yet to be verified so until that happens we won't know what the true figure will be. Not much point I. Discussing it until then but I suppose it's possible that Coventry have missed a trick by assuming King would be on EL average if they could justifiably signed him on a converted PL average. Not much point in discussing until we know though , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Because those that rode EL in 2014 have had their 'normal' averages skewed by the Fast Track Reserves scenario.- i.e. heat leaders tougher rides and second strings easier rides. The problem is of the BSPA's own making. That's the same for most. I don't see the point in converting an average from PL when during 2014 he had an EL average. The is no need to make it so difficult. Did Sheffield sign Covatti on his converted EL average? His were also expunged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I fear a can of worms has been opened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kennett can be a good rider but too inconsistent and struggles to do a whole season as Coventry & Swindon found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Something stinks here. Kennett was on a 6.39 average at the start of 2014, he should ride on that or an average based on that if he rides in the EL in 2015. Typical nonsense going on which drives people mad about speedway. Just out of interest, when EK guested last season in the EL, what average was being used then to assess his suitability? He has a valid 2014 EL average, and should use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Something stinks here. Kennett was on a 6.39 average at the start of 2014, he should ride on that or an average based on that if he rides in the EL in 2015. Typical nonsense going on which drives people mad about speedway. Just out of interest, when EK guested last season in the EL, what average was being used then to assess his suitability? He has a valid 2014 EL average, and should use it. Here we go again. A team names a rider, no official details of his average are given, mainly because all the teams have yet to be verified, there is a bit of sensible speculation by a few forum members as to what average he will come in in on then hey prest the chronic complainers arrive telling us something stinks and its supposedly typical nonsense that drives people mad about speedway. The only typical nonsense so far is forum members jumping to conclusions before the details are known. Why not wait until the teams are verified and we know who is on what average and why, then you can complain with something a bit more substantial than mere speculation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Something stinks here. Kennett was on a 6.39 average at the start of 2014, he should ride on that or an average based on that if he rides in the EL in 2015. Typical nonsense going on which drives people mad about speedway. Just out of interest, when EK guested last season in the EL, what average was being used then to assess his suitability? He has a valid 2014 EL average, and should use it. ManchesterPaul who produces excellent and comprehensive race cards thinks it was 5.25. http://speedway.manchesterpaul.net/2014/141016_MiniMax_Extended_Elite_League_PooKly.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 At 5.25 it would still leave room for Swidders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 ManchesterPaul who produces excellent and comprehensive race cards thinks it was 5.25. http://speedway.manchesterpaul.net/2014/141016_MiniMax_Extended_Elite_League_PooKly.pdf Despite the fact the programme says 6.26 as he was guesting for Milik. The guesting rider assumes the average of the rider he is guesting for - hence it can only have been a PL converted figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 If Lakeside get the last signing right they will be contenders without a doubt. AJ is a top number one and Bech will be a good heatleader. Kennett and Lawson are very good second strings. At reserve Birks is on par with the rest of the number one reserves while Ellis is probably the best in the second list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 If Lakeside get the last signing right they will be contenders without a doubt. AJ is a top number one and Bech will be a good heatleader. Kennett and Lawson are very good second strings. At reserve Birks is on par with the rest of the number one reserves while Ellis is probably the best in the second list. I've got my fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Despite the fact the programme says 6.26 as he was guesting for Milik. The guesting rider assumes the average of the rider he is guesting for - hence it can only have been a PL converted figure. His final GSA for Brum was 5.48 so whichever way you work it the chances are it will work out in the low 5's, which in practical terms means there would certainly be room for Kim Nilsson and probably Piotr Swiderski as an alternative. Can't think who else might be in the frame. Now there are two d/u riders there won't be room for Ben Barker who has been talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kennett and lawson will Miss a Good few Meeting both missing 5 fridays each for a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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