Star Lady Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Sets a dangerous precedent this does... If (and I wasn't there before you ask so am going on reports that I've read) Greaves went into the crowd to confront a spectator, he should receive an immediate ban. There's fighting in other sports which has been quoted on the many pages I've read about this but the line is drawn when a sportsman enters the crowd to confront spectators. Some may say you can't compare football with speedway... true. However, the incident with Cantona when he kung-fu fought in the crowd is comparable and Greaves should be punished accordingly. Wonderful that it was all heat of the moment and someone's said this about someone etc., but you can't confront someone in the crowd irrespective. Dangerous precedent set... Like you I wasn't there but if the facts are as reported, I too am surprised that a foray onto the terraces is not deemed more serious. I appreciate the age of the offender, but as you say it's a dangerous precedent. Even a 28 day, even 14 day, ban would be acceptable in my eyes, just to mark the difference between the playing field and the pit area (where only authorised folk are allowed) and the terraces (where the general public are) as it were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm getting a bit fed up with master greaves. Golden child or not he should stay in the NL for another few years and learn to control his temper and stay on the bike. Today Nigel Pearson has penned a page offering his full support without commenting on this incident. It reminds me of Middlo/Darcy. The boy needs a talking to not everyone blowing smoke up his backside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) The fans aren't governed by SCB regulations. What are the SCB going to do? Ban the fans for 12 months? I'm surprised that Danny Phillips' ban and fine is greater than Sarjent's and the same as Greaves'. I wasn't there, but from what I've read Phillips seems to have been a bit part player to the main protagonists Shows how stupid some fans are to have put money into such collections. Sure if a young rider blows an engine, I have and will always throw in a few quid but for this, not a chance. It's like those West Ham (or was it Spurs, not sure) fans collected money to pay the fine for some scroat who ran on to the pitch and took a free kick. Sets a dangerous precedent this does... If (and I wasn't there before you ask so am going on reports that I've read) Greaves went into the crowd to confront a spectator, he should receive an immediate ban. Dangerous precedent set... Happened before. Matousek did it more than once, at the 4TT final I think and at Sheffield after he 'collided' with Nagy, he took exception to a hand gesture I made and threw a punch (it missed). Edited October 9, 2014 by TheReturn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Matousek was a funny character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) The issue at the starting gate should not have been allowed to fester for about 3 minutes. If the Referee had excluded one or both of them for delaying the start none of the rest of it would have happened. The start of that race was a total shambles and it was obvious that tempers were getting frayed. I'm not sure what sanctions you can impose on a referee but it would be interesting to have his views on his inactivity. Do not overlook the fact that the National Development League is as much about track time for developing talent as it is winning. Jim like many of his colleagues in the ASR hold a belief that they should exercise tolerance at this level not withstanding the furore from the other element of fans who would scream the place down if he had had the audacity to disqualify a young British rider who was only learning his craft. Come on how many of you bellyached when the 2 minute rule was rigidly enforced and how many bellyached because it wasn't? Whoever is in charge cannot possibly please everyone so I would give him a medal as big as a frying pan and compliment him for his restraint and desire to; make sure the public were entertained with 4 riders, make sure the relevant spice between two fierce competitors was maintained (in the interests of the paying public) and that the competitors were able to benefit from the track time and pitting their skills against each other. Now with the benefit of hindsight those that knock the referee would make a different decisions to him, I wonder how many meetings that happens at? Edited October 9, 2014 by Whisperer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 Surely even a complete lunatic wouldn't leap into the crowd to remonstrate with supporters without at least some provocation? That doesn't excuse anyone's behaviour, but someone in the crowd must have said or done something for a rider to leap into action? It certainly isn't unknown for promoters and team managers, never mind riders, to jump into the crowd and start arguing. Paying at the gate is not carte blanche for anyone to run their mouth, insult or threaten people without some reaction occuring. The solution perhaps lies in two sayings well known in industry: "Employ a teenager whilst they still know everything" and "One boy is worth half a man, but two boys are worth f**k all!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 The fans aren't governed by SCB regulations. What are the SCB going to do? Ban the fans for 12 months? I'm surprised that Danny Phillips' ban and fine is greater than Sarjent's and the same as Greaves'. I wasn't there, but from what I've read Phillips seems to have been a bit part player to the main protagonists You have answered your quote yourself Mr Leslie because as you say you were not there. I am just suprised Jim Lawrence is getting stick over his handling as twice he had to put on the red lights at the start line where all the trouble started and once he had started the race the riders involved were the only ones contributing to the problems which ensued .Personally I think both sets of mechanics of the teams should be brought to task as well because Speedway in any way shape or form doesn,t need the atrocious scenes that occured at Coventry.Before any one asks Yes I was there on the Cov track curating team and I don,t think in 25 years I have seen anything worse . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 In a nutshell his inept handling of the events before the start of Heat 10! Myself and many who witnessed the events along with me felt that he should be called to account but he is hardly going to criticise himself in his report to the SCB! Well I wasn't there so cannot comment on his handling on that day but I have attended many many matches when he has and he is certainly one of the best referees in this country and does a pretty good job in the GP,s as well. When you put him alongside some of his colleagues in the UK he is light years ahead of most of them and some of those are truly dreadful and not even approaching inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 Well, friends in high places eh?! Yes it's the same guy. And i know you'll \argue he's not truly independent but what do you suggest, someone with zero speedway knowledge being SCB chairman? There no such thing as being truly independent, we just have to trust that Tony is a honest and professional man. As the mayor of Rugby until very recently you would hope this is the case. when the Speedway Control; Board was set up back in ther fities I think . the memebers of the board were not allowed to go to speedway nor have ant contact with promoters or riders . unfortunately over the years that has all fell by the wayside , and the control board is simply another layer of speedways disease. Cronyism . Coventry will be having a collection bucket in the track shop on monday to collect money for James Sarjeants fine . so waste of time the SCB using fines as aprt of the pumishment , I expect in the future ther SCB will be more inclined towards bans , since supporters will not be able to alter the balance of justice by serving a ban for the perpetrators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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