Agrotron Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 THE Speedway Control Bureau has issued a statement following an investigation into an incident at the Coventry v Cradley National League KO Cup tie on Friday September 26.As follows:National League: COVENTRY v CRADLEYFriday 26th September 2014The Speedway Control Bureau held a Disciplinary Hearing (SCB Court) today at the offices of the Auto Cycle Union in Rugby in respect of charges of Ungentlemanly Conduct during the above Meeting against James Sarjeant, Nathan Greaves & Danny Phillips.Under the Chairmanship of Tony Gillias, the SCB Court that included Alex Harkess & Gary Thompson having viewed the video evidence and heard mitigating statements from those riders made it’s findingknown to each Riders following a full review in camera.All 3 Riders were found guilty of the charges and the penalties were advised as follows:James SARJEANT: 12 months Suspension, that itself is suspended for 12 months plus a £100 Fine and Costs.Nathan GREAVES: 12 months Suspension, that itself is suspended for 24 months plus a £250 Fine and Costs.Danny PHILLIPS: 12 months Suspension, that itself is suspended for 24 months plus a £250 Fine and Costs.The SCB Members stressed the importance to each Rider of the need for them to learn from this unfortunate incident and wished them good success in the future.Each Rider is entitled to lodge an Appeal to the ACU should they wish to do so in accordance with The 2014 Speedway Regulations.SPEEDWAY CONTROL BUREAU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm disappointed but not at all surprised that Jim Lawrence, the ref, escaped any form of punishment! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Has anyone any idea what brought this about. For all 3 riders to have been given a 12 month suspension. It must have been fairly drastic to have given them this punishment. And what was the ref's part in this and how did he get away without being punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Has anyone any idea what brought this about. For all 3 riders to have been given a 12 month suspension. It must have been fairly drastic to have given them this punishment. And what was the ref's part in this and how did he get away without being punished. It's all in the thread about the meeting in question in the NL section. It doesn't need dragging up again for more, "he did this" followed by, "yeah but he did much worse......". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 so there not really getting punished then, just fined, which they wont have to pay judging by the woman that came around during the meeting yesterday at Monmore collecting to help them pay the fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Oh dear I hope that they did not do a collection at Monmore to pay the fines as this is against SCB regulations no collections allowed or for clubs to pay them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Oh dear I hope that they did not do a collection at Monmore to pay the fines as this is against SCB regulations no collections allowed or for clubs to pay them. The fans aren't governed by SCB regulations. What are the SCB going to do? Ban the fans for 12 months? I'm surprised that Danny Phillips' ban and fine is greater than Sarjent's and the same as Greaves'. I wasn't there, but from what I've read Phillips seems to have been a bit part player to the main protagonists 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Has anyone any idea what brought this about. For all 3 riders to have been given a 12 month suspension. It must have been fairly drastic to have given them this punishment. And what was the ref's part in this and how did he get away without being punished. They haven't, the suspension is 'suspended'. Basically they have just been fined so got away very lightly. If the reports are true that Greaves entered into the crowd to attack a supporter then he has got away very, very lightly indeed. Why would the referee need to be punished? Edited October 8, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I'm disappointed but not at all surprised that Jim Lawrence, the ref, escaped any form of punishment! Go on I will say it, why on earth should Jim Lawrence be disciplined over this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonmole Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Like the SCB are ever going to know where the money from the fines comes from. Talk about toeing the the party line flagrag. Except on this occasion, the party can't do f-all about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Has anyone any idea what brought this about. For all 3 riders to have been given a 12 month suspension. It must have been fairly drastic to have given them this punishment. And what was the ref's part in this and how did he get away without being punished. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=77894 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommer Mon Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Go on I will say it, why on earth should Jim Lawrence be disciplined over this. The issue at the starting gate should not have been allowed to fester for about 3 minutes. If the Referee had excluded one or both of them for delaying the start none of the rest of it would have happened. The start of that race was a total shambles and it was obvious that tempers were getting frayed. I'm not sure what sanctions you can impose on a referee but it would be interesting to have his views on his inactivity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Go on I will say it, why on earth should Jim Lawrence be disciplined over this. In a nutshell his inept handling of the events before the start of Heat 10! Myself and many who witnessed the events along with me felt that he should be called to account but he is hardly going to criticise himself in his report to the SCB! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 In a nutshell his inept handling of the events before the start of Heat 10! Myself and many who witnessed the events along with me felt that he should be called to account but he is hardly going to criticise himself in his report to the SCB! Blimey, if you start banning refs for inept handling of a meeting tgere wouldn't be any left!! Honestly, though, I don't see that as anything more than opinion on a ref's handling of a race. Even if, as you say, the ref should have excluded riders, it's not really a disciplining issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Like the SCB are ever going to know where the money from the fines comes from. Talk about toeing the the party line flagrag. Except on this occasion, the party can't do f-all about it. The ruling is to prevent a club to facilitate a collection, which in a way is to condone the collection. Nothing can stop supporters doing their own collection but the club can't be seen to agree with it. I personally don't agree with fans collections, unless it is to rectify an injustice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I take it that the assault on the mechanic is subject to a police enquiry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I take it that the assault on the mechanic is subject to a police enquiry? Not 100% sure on that, but thats what Iv been told, albeit 3rd hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Is this the same guy that chaired The Independent meeting at the SCB ? http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/speedway/mayor-rugby-tony-gillias-gets-7207324 Tony Gillias was back on track at Brandon last week, 37 years after he last raced for Coventry Bees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Is this the same guy that chaired The Independent meeting at the SCB ? http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/speedway/mayor-rugby-tony-gillias-gets-7207324 Tony Gillias was back on track at Brandon last week, 37 years after he last raced for Coventry Bees. Well, friends in high places eh?! Yes it's the same guy. And i know you'll \argue he's not truly independent but what do you suggest, someone with zero speedway knowledge being SCB chairman? There no such thing as being truly independent, we just have to trust that Tony is a honest and professional man. As the mayor of Rugby until very recently you would hope this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Sets a dangerous precedent this does... If (and I wasn't there before you ask so am going on reports that I've read) Greaves went into the crowd to confront a spectator, he should receive an immediate ban. There's fighting in other sports which has been quoted on the many pages I've read about this but the line is drawn when a sportsman enters the crowd to confront spectators. Some may say you can't compare football with speedway... true. However, the incident with Cantona when he kung-fu fought in the crowd is comparable and Greaves should be punished accordingly. Wonderful that it was all heat of the moment and someone's said this about someone etc., but you can't confront someone in the crowd irrespective. Dangerous precedent set... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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