BWitcher Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 He was riding for his club when the offence occurred was discovered. Did Lakeside have any points deducted? Darcy Ward was also riding for his club as an ineligible rider. It matters not whether Poole knew this or not at the time... HOWEVER, they would have been aware that if found guilty for the offence he would become ineligible and decided to proceed anyway. Wards pts should be removed, Kings Lynn finish top of the table. The playoffs are null and void as not contested correctly and as they can't now be re-run the only course of action is to award Kings Lynn the league title. That is what would happen in any professional sport... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Was Darcy ineligible? Didn't he stop riding as soon as the supension was announced? No the FIM just decided to deduct his pts for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm confused Did Darcy ride after he was suspended? If he did then surely only the points from after he were suspended should be removed? Didn't Edward Kennett cheat? If he was cheating then it's fair that they all be removed. Darcy's shouldn't be removed from before the suspension as he was eligible to ride. Poole used Ward fully aware that any points scored would be ineligible if he was guilty. Unless they have total sh!t for brains they knew he was guilty so they should now, as per the rules, pay the price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Pages of posts going over the same old ground. Some people love beating a dead horse. What ever anyone's private thoughts events will not change. The 2014 season records with always show what has already been published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 What ever anyone's private thoughts events will not change. The 2014 season records with always show what has already been published. No they won't. The FIM have made it quite clear 3 times now that his points should be removed from the week he rode between being tested and suspended. Surely his points are all eligible until he is suspended? It doesn't make any sense to take away points he scored whilst still eligible to ride. The FIM have declared, right or wrongly, that any points he scored in that week should be removed. Whatever the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I wasn't aware of this If that's the case then the points should be removed, although I don't agree with their decision. I would have thought that until a rider was officially suspended they would be legally entitled to continue competing? To be fair, he should have been suspended there and then. I agree with you. He should have been suspended ASAP. And it does seem odd to retrospectively doing so. That said, Poole/the BSPA could have/should have suspended him pending the outcome anyway. In Sweden they have removed the meeting which has increased his average and so he won't fit into his team with his newer average. Where as the BSPA have ignored it. It should mean a higher average for Darcy AND Kings Lynn finished top of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 so, change the league table, put KL on top, whoopee. Doesn't change anything does it. Poole won the title fairly via the play offs. Doesn't matter who would have picked who... Poole & KL would have met in the final. Can't believe people are bringing all this c&*p back on the table. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Can't believe people are bringing all this c&*p back on the table. " people are bringing all this c&*p back" because the BSPA haven't updated last season league table to take it into account. Maybe Darcy should have just carried on riding, ignore the ban, like the BSPA are ignoring the removal of points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 so, change the league table, put KL on top, whoopee. Doesn't change anything does it. Poole won the title fairly via the play offs. Doesn't matter who would have picked who... Poole & KL would have met in the final. Can't believe people are bringing all this c&*p back on the table. Of course it matters who picks who. What we know is Poole had first pick when they weren't eligible to do so. That renders the playoffs void, or should in any professional set up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Just the weather for some Quiche and salad today I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Of course it matters who picks who. What we know is Poole had first pick when they weren't eligible to do so. That renders the playoffs void, or should in any professional set up. Poole beat two of the three other play off contenders, the only team they didn't beat was Swindon so may them the winners if you like. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 No they won't. The FIM have made it quite clear 3 times now that his points should be removed from the week he rode between being tested and suspended. The FIM have declared, right or wrongly, that any points he scored in that week should be removed. Whatever the consequences. Removed from what? His average, his wages? Nothing about teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 " people are bringing all this c&*p back" because the BSPA haven't updated last season league table to take it into account. Maybe Darcy should have just carried on riding, ignore the ban, like the BSPA are ignoring the removal of points. Of course it matters who picks who. What we know is Poole had first pick when they weren't eligible to do so. That renders the playoffs void, or should in any professional set up. wouldn't have made one iota of a difference to who won the title IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Removed from what? His average, his wages? Nothing about teams. Doubt Darcy's wages are paid in points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 wouldn't have made one iota of a difference to who won the title IMHO. Agreed. But that doesnt mean the BSPA shold not change their record. For a start it puts about 0.2 on Darcys' average which could make a difference this year if someone signs him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 wouldn't have made one iota of a difference to who won the title IMHO. That's irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 this does not surprise me one bit i bet thou if darcys average was lower with the meeting point removed you can bet poole would be shouting from the rooftops for the points removed and here is where british speedway stinks 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I wasn't aware of this If that's the case then the points should be removed, although I don't agree with their decision. I would have thought that until a rider was officially suspended they would be legally entitled to continue competing? To be fair, he should have been suspended there and then. I agree with you. He should have been suspended ASAP. And it does seem odd to retrospectively doing so. That said, Poole/the BSPA could have/should have suspended him pending the outcome anyway. In Sweden they have removed the meeting which has increased his average and so he won't fit into his team with his newer average. Where as the BSPA have ignored it. It should mean a higher average for Darcy AND Kings Lynn finished top of the table. To be honest I agree that the rules are silly. The suspension should have kicked in straight away and none of this would have happened. Whatever any of us think though, those are the rules and the end result is the play offs are now void. Question is how do they determine league champions for 2014. Common sense says revert to the final league table and declare Kings Lynn champions. The other, less likely, outcome is declare the whole competition null and void and have no 2014 league champions. If the FIM have jurisdiction to impose their punishment on the Elite League then one of the two will happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 To be honest I agree that the rules are silly. The suspension should have kicked in straight away and none of this would have happened. Whatever any of us think though, those are the rules and the end result is the play offs are now void. Question is how do they determine league champions for 2014. Common sense says revert to the final league table and declare Kings Lynn champions. The other, less likely, outcome is declare the whole competition null and void and have no 2014 league champions. If the FIM have jurisdiction to impose their punishment on the Elite League then one of the two will happen. I haven't read so much rubbish for a long time. Common sense doesn't say revert to the final league table - that's your opinion. Why would the competition be void - Poole won fair and square - end of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The point that everyone is missing in all of this is that the competition is a total farce anyway, so no one really cares who won it. Poole won it with half of Swindon's team in their line up after they'd been knocked out by Coventry, who lent King's Lynn half of their team to try and knock Poole out in the semi! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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