orion Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 As with many times before, our opinions we will always differ . You only pick up on the parts you want to without understanding the point I was trying to make. Never once have I suggested a 'worse standard', that's your interpretation, would be better . My whole argument is to put on a decent promotion that is of an affordable price to the fans as well as to the Promoters. Now IF, and that's a big if, the promoters can afford to include top paid riders then wonderful. But that product has to be right for the fans to attend. You only have to look at the number of clubs that have closed down to realise the product has to be right. To highlight an example from last year, when Lynn Stars travelled to Coventry for their first meeting it was a sparse crowd, cold spring evening, where the meeting dragged out. there was no atmosphere and the place seemed dead. The second time we went there in Sept was very different. Far bigger crowd, lot of noise and good atmosphere. Although the riders were the same the product was far better and fans would have thoroughly enjoyed their night out. Yes I know you could also relate this to the results, but it not all down to this Everybody wants the product to be good whether you win or lose...... I hope this time you understand the point I'm trying to make...... Your first point on the subject was about getting rid of top riders then you went on about getting new fans ... As I asked ask me what sport has got bigger crowds by getting rid of the best players /riders etc ? We get told time again what a great product the Pl league but as we have seen the crowds without the draw of decent names are still poor . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) So if the crowds are, as you suggest still poor, then it matters not if the top riders are there or not. Our local pro Club in Norfolk dropped down into Div One (3rd tier) and the gates were little to no different to when they were in the Premiership. This despite unloading all their so called star names. Your witness Orion 😀 Edited November 8, 2014 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Average gate at Liverpool v average gate at Tranmere Rovers... Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 And look at the poor crowd at Man City on Wed, 30,000 plus for a Champions League game. There will that size of crowds in the Championship today, or close to. No "Elite" players or wages on show there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 And look at the poor crowd at Man City on Wed, 30,000 plus for a Champions League game. There will that size of crowds in the Championship today, or close to. No "Elite" players or wages on show thereIts definately not just speedway thats suffering, look at alot of football crowds even in the premier league even aston villa struggle and you see alot of rugby crowds with poor attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 So if the crowds are, as you suggest still poor, then it matters not if the top riders are there or not. Our local pro Club in Norfolk dropped down into Div One (3rd tier) and the gates were little to no different to when they were in the Premiership. This despite unloading all their so called star names. Your witness Orion Of course it matters as the crowds would get worse ....The question was what sport has got more fans by making the standard lower . Your example is just of one club, a better example would to divide the crowds in each game in each league . So the example of Man City in the champions league is a poor one as if you divided the champions league crowds on average it would smash the average Championship crowds . Maybe this year at the World Darts this year rather than having Phil Taylor ,MVG etc they should get some pubs players ,after all the crowds would stay the same as no one cares about the standard or what names they are watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Darter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Carter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? Edited November 10, 2014 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Darter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Carter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? Are you finishing on a double??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Are you finishing on a double??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Darter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? But of course they Care...... Fred Dinglederry v Hamiesh Derfenec throwing 26 after 26 and ending up on double one every game, or Phil Taylor v Another Top Carter, banging in 180,s 3 dart finishes, who would prefer the first option.......??? I would prefer the 1st option,more drinking time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Translate and make of this what you will... http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/480879/niels-kristian-iversen-krytykuje-regulamin-ligi-angielskiej-zrezygnuje-ze-starto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Translate and make of this what you will... http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/480879/niels-kristian-iversen-krytykuje-regulamin-ligi-angielskiej-zrezygnuje-ze-starto He's dead right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Translate and make of this what you will... http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/480879/niels-kristian-iversen-krytykuje-regulamin-ligi-angielskiej-zrezygnuje-ze-starto Like a lot of riders,and fans, fed up with constant changes and lack of fwd planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzAssStar Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Translate and make of this what you will... http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/480879/niels-kristian-iversen-krytykuje-regulamin-ligi-angielskiej-zrezygnuje-ze-starto Nothing new here.................. was on SGP website 2 or 3 days ago .............. and in English! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 He also said the same last year and the year before. Possibly even the year before. The top guys want less meetings, the lower/middle guys want more. Well as most of the lower/middle riders are doubling up these days, they don't need so many EL meetings. So just have less meetings, it suits everyone. It means less meetings for the fans to go to so when there is a meeting we'll be more keen to go and crowds might just go up. In Sweden they have crowds 2 and 3 times the size of EL crowds because if a fan misses a meeting he might go 4 weeks without speedway. In the UK you just have to wait until the end of the week some times! Always leave people wanting more and make them wait for it, as the Grolsch advert used to tell us, "good things come to those who wait". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 He also said the same last year and the year before. Possibly even the year before. The top guys want less meetings, the lower/middle guys want more. Well as most of the lower/middle riders are doubling up these days, they don't need so many EL meetings. So just have less meetings, it suits everyone. It means less meetings for the fans to go to so when there is a meeting we'll be more keen to go and crowds might just go up. In Sweden they have crowds 2 and 3 times the size of EL crowds because if a fan misses a meeting he might go 4 weeks without speedway. In the UK you just have to wait until the end of the week some times! Always leave people wanting more and make them wait for it, as the Grolsch advert used to tell us, "good things come to those who wait". Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 If the UK fans need more Speedway there is generally another meeting on during the week, just down the road in many cases. The die hard fans of the sport can get as much of it as they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I want to watch speedway at Lynn every week during the season, the off season is 5 months :-P If the UK fans need more Speedway there is generally another meeting on during the week, just down the road in many cases. The die hard fans of the sport can get as much of it as they want. If u think I'm going to Ipswich or Boro regularly u have another thing coming (as they used to say ha)! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Trees, what about Mildy, or Rye House ?You dont have to go anywhere regularly, but there is a few to flit round to get your fix. Including Both Lynn Teams. Just think of the pleasure you would get going to Foxhole and watching the home team get stuffed. Are You a total Lynn fan or a total Speedway fan ? A good meeting is a good meeting, no matter what teams are involved. Edited November 14, 2014 by semion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Semion, I just don't have the desire to go to any other club meetings tbh, I guess if I was really desperate I'd go to Boro but never Ipswich or Rye House arghhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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