brandonbee48 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Gotta be 20 000 people in here all for a fiver. Must be 25 degrees at least. Racing not good though! You've always got those gorgeous Polish women to gaze at !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastword Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Thank you. Back in the 1950s 6 man teams and 18 heats was the format for UK "National Trophy" matches and also Test Matches. Yes, but then the pairings stayed the same throughout the meeting. I didn't like that system at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yes, but then the pairings stayed the same throughout the meeting. I didn't like that system at all. I can't remember what happened in case of injuries. I think in Test matches there were 2 reserves who could be subbed in at any time (wouldn't swear to it though-the mists of time ) but with National Trophy i can't recall if there was a reserve or not. As we saw in a couple of Danish matches this season, with their 5 man teams, losing one early on, and you are screwed. Were the National Trophy matches sponsored by The Sunday Dispatch? Anyway, well done The Rest Of The World and what a crowd. All the best. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Willie Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 You've always got those gorgeous Polish women to gaze at !! Oh and we did! We have come to the conclusion that ugly polish babies are got rid of as you only see beauties!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Oh and we did! We have come to the conclusion that ugly polish babies are got rid of as you only see beauties!! We could while away the winter months here on the completely different demographic of Polish speedway. UK Martin made a really good post recently on the whole topic, but, refining it down to "the babes" from the SPECTACULAR start line girls, to those we see on the terraces at EVERY Polish meet, why is it that they dress up to go, watch and be seen in Poland, whereas in the UK i see my grandma lookalikes dotted here and there.? Funny old world isn't it? Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Willie Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 We could while away the winter months here on the completely different demographic of Polish speedway. UK Martin made a really good post recently on the whole topic, but, refining it down to "the babes" from the SPECTACULAR start line girls, to those we see on the terraces at EVERY Polish meet, why is it that they dress up to go, watch and be seen in Poland, whereas in the UK i see my grandma lookalikes dotted here and there.? Funny old world isn't it? Regards. Alan. just read that post to the boys in the hotel, the bar erupted. We were saying the same. Its llike the whole family put on there sunday best to watch the meets in Poland, and the babes look like their on a night out. Totally different to what we see in Cardiff. With notable exceptions!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 None of these young fans remember the days when u went home from speedway with muck in ya hair, up ya nose and in your ears let alone over your clothes lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 None of these young fans remember the days when u went home from speedway with muck in ya hair, up ya nose and in your ears let alone over your clothes lol That's part of the problem though. The young women today won't put up with "the muck". Quite rightly too. For the most part Polish stadiums are all -seater- even the older ones. You could get a lot more younger women going if there were VERY clean toilet facilities, car parks that were paved so that their shoes weren't covered in mud before they even got in , and a modicum of protection from the elements. And I know that the majority of UK tracks are rented and the promoters don't have control over some or all of the above. Brandon on a Saturday night in the 50s was a place where the boys watched the girls who watched the boys. who........ Gone forever I know, but the Poles are doing a lot right that the UK isn't. Regards. Alan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 2 hours plus video of the meeting here http://sport.tvp.pl/17217972/zuzel-polska-reszta-swiata-mecz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 That's part of the problem though. The young women today won't put up with "the muck". Quite rightly too. For the most part Polish stadiums are all -seater- even the older ones. You could get a lot more younger women going if there were VERY clean toilet facilities, car parks that were paved so that their shoes weren't covered in mud before they even got in , and a modicum of protection from the elements. And I know that the majority of UK tracks are rented and the promoters don't have control over some or all of the above. Brandon on a Saturday night in the 50s was a place where the boys watched the girls who watched the boys. who........ Gone forever I know, but the Poles are doing a lot right that the UK isn't. Regards. Alan.Yeah I guess Poland is like 50s British Speedway, I wonder if a few years down the line if it will go the way or our speedway too? So why do young Polish people flock to their speedways, because it's fun, exciting, cheap, the happening place, they want to support their local team? British promoters need to work harder eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Yeah I guess Poland is like 50s British Speedway, I wonder if a few years down the line if it will go the way or our speedway too? So why do young Polish people flock to their speedways, because it's fun, exciting, cheap, the happening place, they want to support their local team? British promoters need to work harder eh! I think your second line has 5 very valid reasons. I believe Wildcat Willie above said they paid 5 pounds admission (along with 20,000 others!) to see this meeting They all have their cell phones and devices with them so they are not paupers,and another thing i have noticed is that there is a much greater sense of family there. As the cameras pan around you see many,many young parents with their children and grandparents seemingly having a good afternoon/evening together. As to the future, who knows but anyone who doesn't try to learn from them is silly. Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 ... 5 pounds admission (along with 20,000 others!) to see this meeting . You forgot to mention that 5 pounds in Poland goes five time longer than in the UK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Alan is right on here, I was there and we payed 25 zloty to get in. Drinks and food are unbelievable cheap, but hey that's PL (good for us western people). Many many people from all ages, really cool family atmosphere. Didn't see many 'paupers', just normal people enjoying a great afternoon of speedway with each other. I love it! Rybnik was my 27th Polish meeting this year and although it's quite a drive from The Netherlands, it was absolutely worth it once again. Took four people with me including three newcomers and they had the time of their life! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 You forgot to mention that 5 pounds in Poland goes five time longer than in the UK I started googling "Polish Incomes" and of course could spend the rest of the year improving my economic knowledge ! Good old Wikepedia had this. Wages and productivity[edit]Despite Polish productivity rising to 2/3 of those in the West, the wages in Poland remained low, at 1/3 of that in the West, this has contributed to the flight of Polish population from the country.[14] That is 2012 so maybe not far out. Ultimately it always comes down to "It is what it is" and those from countries with strong currencies find it "cheap" and locals "Not so cheap". I wouldn't miss my Polski Sundays (nor Swedish Tuesdays) for anything. And i have no idea why my print size is like my sister's South African rand- miniscule. All the best. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I started googling "Polish Incomes" and of course could spend the rest of the year improving my economic knowledge ! Good old Wikepedia had this. Yes indeed... good old Wikipedia...what I found out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage is that the average UK monthly wage was $3460.00 while in Poland $945.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 2 hours plus video of the meeting here http://sport.tvp.pl/17217972/zuzel-polska-reszta-swiata-mecz Thanks for this. I was able to catch up with the first eight heats that I missed and also the pre-meeting entertainment. Poland does it right again. The sky divers, the world war one planes overhead, the marching band leading the parade around the track, the young boys on their small machines, the immaculate infield football pitch- everything done just right, including the promoters pricing it right to ensure an almost sell-out crowd. Rybnik did themselves proud. Shame the meeting wasn't edge of the seat stuff, but that happens. Well done Poland. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I believe Wildcat Willie above said they paid 5 pounds admission ... Economists have this concept known as "opportunity cost" - whereby you measure the cost of one commodity in terms of the foregone alternative....so...you could say that admission cost roughly 5 pints of beer, at Polish prices. How would that compare to the cost of admission compared to beer in Great Britain? - It's not that different is it? Also, bear in mind that when there is a local derby, e.g. Stal v Falubaz, ticket prices go up to about 80 Zloties. AND THEY STILL SELL OUT! Think of that for a moment...would the price at Monmore Green triple for the Coventry fixture? What would be the uproar / reaction if it did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I spent my career in sales and marketing and came to the conclusion that price = "what the market would bear". Eventually "the market" always rules. Comparisons of what a particular product commands in different markets are always futile. The rent on a 1000 sq. ft. in London v the same in Detroit. My monthly heating bill in Fracking USA v. yours in Genteel Surrey. So many different forces at work. Of course there are problems in Polish speedway, where aren't there? I just admire the Poles so much for what they have achieved. Long may they prosper and might the UK authorities take on board some lessons. I won't hold my breath. Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Doesn't matter about cost of living and average wages...promoters work on income from ticket sales and resultant outgoings 20,000 x £5 = £100,000 generated to pay costs including wages 2000 x £17 = £34,000 - -if we lucky to see 2000 at a Uk meeting = not so much cash coming in £100,000 / £17 = 5800 people - and if we cant attract 2000 not much chance of getting 5800 but if the right riders could be atracted would this bring in the crowds? Problem is...We do not have speedway stadiums in uk to attract the right level of crowds required (which circuits could comfortably accomodate 6000?) to compete with Poland or even Sweden. hence wages paid are lower. Chicken or egg anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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