CardinalSin Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 it all depends on how you read the rules workington maybe read the rules asked a question at the workshop thingy and accepted campton wouldnt meet the required conditions maybe other clubs might still refuse to accept the rules as they will be forced this year Well they didn't accept them at first because they appealed the initial rejection didn't they? After their appeal was also rejected they had no choice but to accept it and sign replacements. My point is this was a few weeks ago now so the other clubs affected will surely now know whether their riders will or won't be granted visas once applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) With Taylor Poole being the latest rider being refused a visa who's next...... Btw Taylor ave 6.05 1st it was Campton 4.66 Then Wethers 5.50 Next was Poole 6.05 Gino 6.02 may be safe then........ Edited February 17, 2015 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Maybe the Workington boys were top of the list and are slowly working their way down.. Question is, was Gino near the top of the list and Louis already has the thumbs up hence the "no issues" comment only a few days ago, or is it a case of no issues SO FAR and they haven't got to our boys yet.. The fact is he hasn't finished in the top 4 of a state championship or acquired the magical 7.00 average, so unless some other criteria qualifies that hasn't been publicly mentioned, then perhaps we should prepare for disappointment also.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 what about gino representing U.S.A. in the world team cup. does that not stand for any thing ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 what about gino representing U.S.A. in the world team cup. does that not stand for any thing ?. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Would be a massive blow to lose the services of Gino this year , after his debut season think alot of us would be expecting him to push on in his second season and hit the magic 7.00 average no problem , myself i think he could hit 7.5 if he learns to stay calm in races and not have silly crashes. If he does not get his visa i hope Mr Louis has a plan b or c or d for that matter . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Nope.you seem very sure on this subject Alan. Are you basing it purely on the previously stated GBE criteria or are you in the know re any adjustments (if any) that have been made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 you seem very sure on this subject Alan. Are you basing it purely on the previously stated GBE criteria or are you in the know re any adjustments (if any) that have been made? When you look at the level of some of the rider who have raced in the SWC it should not no difference at all. for a start it would mean that every year the Aussies or Americans could just put a youngster or two in their team to get them a work permit regardless of how good they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Maybe the Workington boys were top of the list and are slowly working their way down.. Question is, was Gino near the top of the list and Louis already has the thumbs up hence the "no issues" comment only a few days ago, or is it a case of no issues SO FAR and they haven't got to our boys yet.. The fact is he hasn't finished in the top 4 of a state championship or acquired the magical 7.00 average, so unless some other criteria qualifies that hasn't been publicly mentioned, then perhaps we should prepare for disappointment also.. Please clarify why you think that Manzares should be any different to the likes of Wethers, Poole !!!! As Sheffield fans have found out today never to assume everything is okay because nothing has been said so far. If they don't have the correct criteria they shouldn't get the visa simple as. His average is less than 7 and no top 4 finish , so what miracle is Mr Louis gonna do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 you seem very sure on this subject Alan. Are you basing it purely on the previously stated GBE criteria or are you in the know re any adjustments (if any) that have been made? As SCB said, SWC selection is no indication of rider ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 With Taylor Poole being the latest rider being refused a visa who's next...... Btw Taylor ave 6.05 1st it was Campton 4.66 Then Wethers 5.50 Next was Poole 6.05 Gino 6.02 may be safe then........ I think you're clutching at straws here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 However there is a legitimate argument to be made that would help Manzares. Put simply the USA and Australia are different countries and therefore the criteria for Americans should be better matched to the way speedway is run in the USA and not just copied from Australia. For a start it has three national championships. Secondly the AMA inscribed one is a multi round competition and takes place during the UK season making it difficult for Gino to take part. And the state qualification criterion doesn't really work given that only California stages speedway at a competent level. Work permit for Jim Terchilla? Whether such an argument has been put, and whether the agency has paid any heed I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 However there is a legitimate argument to be made that would help Manzares. Put simply the USA and Australia are different countries and therefore the criteria for Americans should be better matched to the way speedway is run in the USA and not just copied from Australia. For a start it has three national championships. Secondly the AMA inscribed one is a multi round competition and takes place during the UK season making it difficult for Gino to take part. And the state qualification criterion doesn't really work given that only California stages speedway at a competent level. Work permit for Jim Terchilla? Whether such an argument has been put, and whether the agency has paid any heed I have no idea. So how should he be judged then? "nice guy"? "loveliest eyes in speedway"? Or maybe failed to get a 7 point PL average as the criteria suggests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Sorry arnie cant see any of that making any difference whatsoever. In ukvi eyes criteria is set out, they are not going to differentiate because one country does it differently to another. Not their problem. I remember greg, billy etc used to go back for a week to do their nationals, perhaps this will appear again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 As SCB said, SWC selection is no indication of rider ability.no arguement from me on that.My point was that on various threads you are very forthright in stating a rider does or doesnt qualfy. My question is do you know the 2015 criteria or are you assuming those listed in 2009 still apply? If the criteria are as they were you assertions are 100% correct. IF they have changed they MAY be wrong unless you are privy to the revised details. Do you know if they have changed? Are you privy to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I want to know why Louis thinks there are no issues, as surely he wouldn't have been saying that just to keep season ticket sales ticking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I want to know why Louis thinks there are no issues, as surely he wouldn't have been saying that just to keep season ticket sales ticking over. The fact that every club had their license removed to sponsor work permit riders, indicates that there was/is issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I want to know why Louis thinks there are no issues, as surely he wouldn't have been saying that just to keep season ticket sales ticking over. That's a bit cynical Baldy! How could you think such a thing? The Gino situation is a tad baffling though, Rohans obviously fine from his average but Ginos situation is as clear as mud to use an old fashioned expression. The sooner someone gives a definitive answer as to why there are "no issues" the better! At least all the speculation and arguments would stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Please clarify why you think that Manzares should be any different to the likes of Wethers, Poole !!!! As Sheffield fans have found out today never to assume everything is okay because nothing has been said so far. If they don't have the correct criteria they shouldn't get the visa simple as. His average is less than 7 and no top 4 finish , so what miracle is Mr Louis gonna doCan you not read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ok so if Gino does not get his permit (hoping that wont be the case ) what options have we got left who would you like to see in his place with only 6.12 left to play with ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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