ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://www.lovespeedway24.co.uk/teams/ipswich-witches/gino_looking_forward_to_a_full_on_season_and_no_hiccups_during_the_final_few_months_1_3943018?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The only thing I can see going in his favour is the 7 point average pre-dates the removal of bonus points. When were bonus points dropped? I can't remember but thought it might have been when the requirement changed from 8 to 7 for the 2006 season. If that is the case then Manzares is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 When were bonus points dropped? I can't remember but thought it might have been when the requirement changed from 8 to 7 for the 2006 season. If that is the case then Manzares is out. I was going to say that the bonus points were removed from averages a while before 2009. So I don't think that's a saving grace either for the relevant riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It's not wrong at all, Dilger is an EU National and Manzares isn't. Speedway is not above the law...I never once implied Speedway is, or should be above the law so stop being pedantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 "Certificate of Sponsorships are normally approved for the speedway season which runs from 15th March to 31st October or for the contract period which can be for up to four years" So does that mean if a rider were to sign a 4 year contract they would continue on the initial visa regardless of ave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 top 3 American championship 2013 think that's what qualifies him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Think the rules state a rider has 3 years to make his starting ave. If he fails to do so then he would be refused a visa the 4th year. Might struggle with Manzares as the gov might say he should have been a 7 so will have to start 2015 on that ave! That's not how it works. A new rider has to 1)meet the national/professional league standards in the previous season & then 2)maintain the required average for subsequent seasons. If they fail 2) then repeating 1) is OK, but it has to be the previous season on each occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) When were bonus points dropped? I can't remember but thought it might have been when the requirement changed from 8 to 7 for the 2006 season. If that is the case then Manzares is out. Bonus points were dropped in 2006 I think. But the 7 point average for Aussies was brought in back in 2001 (Adam Shields and Rusty Harrison come in on 9 in 2000 but then in 2001 Ben Shields, Davey Watt and Scott Smith all come in on 7) I'm just trying to come up with reasons/ideas here. Not saying I necessarily agree with them - as I don't. Anyone who averaged less than 7.00 in 2014 shouldn't get a permit and if that means Sedgement on 6.99 loses out then tough. Saying that, Sedgemen did get 7.06 from all PL meetings in 2014, it's only that rolling averages cuts off his first 4 meetings so he might have a good case - in 2014 he DID average 7. Edited February 4, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I never once implied Speedway is, or should be above the law so stop being pedantic. Point taken, it was not a criticism of your post, but rather aimed at the owners/promoters who have clearly been ignoring guidelines.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Bonus points were dropped in 2006 I think. But the 7 point average for Aussies was brought in back in 2001 (Adam Shields and Rusty Harrison come in on 9 in 2000 but then in 2001 Ben Shields, Davey Watt and Scott Smith all come in on 7) I'm just trying to come up with reasons/ideas here. Not saying I necessarily agree with them - as I don't. Anyone who averaged less than 7.00 in 2014 shouldn't get a permit and if that means Sedgement on 6.99 loses out then tough. Saying that, Sedgemen did get 7.06 from all PL meetings in 2014, it's only that rolling averages cuts off his first 4 meetings so he might have a good case - in 2014 he DID average 7. Ive got copies of the relevant Work Permits (UK) pages in front of me now & from 2001-5 it was 5 EL/8 PL which changed to 4.5 EL/7 PL for '06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Bonus points were dropped in 2006 I think. But the 7 point average for Aussies was brought in back in 2001 (Adam Shields and Rusty Harrison come in on 9 in 2000 but then in 2001 Ben Shields, Davey Watt and Scott Smith all come in on 7) I'm just trying to come up with reasons/ideas here. Not saying I necessarily agree with them - as I don't. Anyone who averaged less than 7.00 in 2014 shouldn't get a permit and if that means Sedgement on 6.99 loses out then tough. Saying that, Sedgemen did get 7.06 from all PL meetings in 2014, it's only that rolling averages cuts off his first 4 meetings so he might have a good case - in 2014 he DID average 7. Sedgmen also qualifies via the State Championships too.top 3 American championship 2013 think that's what qualifies him No it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Sedgmen also qualifies via the State Championships too. No it doesn't. yes it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 yes it does Nope. Too long ago, has to be the immediately previous season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 @Mike_Bacon: @ipswichspeedway News from CL, cogs moving. No issues with Rohan or Gino getting visas. Yes some riders know they won't get 1 That was the tweet from the Ipswich Star sports journalist this morning. So after all that's been going and the "Workshop" that was attended by everyone last Friday, for Chris Louis to say this morning that there's no issue with visas, then Manzares must qualify. Somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 yes it doesAlan Jones has beaten me to it, but he rightly says that it needs to be the previous season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Nope. Too long ago, has to be the immediately previous season. nope within the last two seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 @Mike_Bacon: @ipswichspeedway News from CL, cogs moving. No issues with Rohan or Gino getting visas. Yes some riders know they won't get 1 That was the tweet from the Ipswich Star sports journalist this morning. So after all that's been going and the "Workshop" that was attended by everyone last Friday, for Chris Louis to say this morning that there's no issue with visas, then Manzares must qualify. Somehow. Just because Louis says so, doesn't mean he qualifies at all. Workington obviously still felt that Campton qualified hence them appealing the original decision for his work permit to be turned down. They clearly learnt nothing from the whole exercise and as per normal self interest takes over. nope within the last two seasons http://www.speedwaygb.co/gbe This clearly states "current National champion" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Just because Louis says so, doesn't mean he qualifies at all. Workington obviously still felt that Campton qualified hence them appealing the original decision for his work permit to be turned down. They clearly learnt nothing from the whole exercise and as per normal self interest takes over. http://www.speedwaygb.co/gbe This clearly states "current National champion" Slightly different as Worky appealed a rejection. Doesn't sound like Manzares' has been rejected in the first place hence the "no issues" comment. If Workington or the riders have re-applied, had the requests rejected and then confirmation of an appeal rejected also, then I'd have thought Louis would have got some confirmation of a successful application also by now? Guess we'll just have to wait and see one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Ive got copies of the relevant Work Permits (UK) pages in front of me now & from 2001-5 it was 5 EL/8 PL which changed to 4.5 EL/7 PL for '06. Which suggests that even as far back as then they were breaking the rules then! They've been doing it for years (as in at least 14 of them!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I've obviously not gone into as much of the nitty gritty as alot of others clearly have but it springs to my mind that in most other sports if you compete at the highest levels for your country of origin that usually qualifies you for a visa. With Gino having been a representative for the USA in last years World Cup does that not have an impact somehow? Forgive me if this has already been covered elsewhere but going through all the pages/arguments on the visa issues is becoming quite mind numbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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