Shadders Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 jake allen, josh bates, arthur sissis Pretty average then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Rohans was the Lemo farewell with a much higher calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Pretty average thenThat was the meeting Heeps won. Tungate won the Mark Lemon farewell, in much tougher company http://www.milduraindependent.com/news/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=935:tungate-beats-sedgmen-in-final-of-mark-lemon-s-trubute-meeting&catid=28&Itemid=593 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Think a few Witches fans thought he would sign for the Witches and surprised that he went to Sheffield. Not had much racing on a 500cc so can only improve and with Sheffield being a bigger track it should suit him more. Certainly think he will struggle at the smaller ones, Pinjar is about 160m i believe, so at the moment glad we got Covatti rather than Sissis...... time will tell. If Covatti turns up with decent equipment and gives commitment to a full season without too many away days for Italy then he will be a steal on that average. Unlike he did for Sheffield last year. Personally I'd have Sissis over Covatti any day. Good luck in 2015 I see you as play off finalists if visas are sorted,👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Having read this on the Workington thread http://www.workingtoncomets.co/news/article.asp?id=100438 then it looks like we'll also be needing a replacement for Manzares? Extremely harsh if that's the case as he done brilliantly last season for his debut season, but it looks like he doesn't meet the qualifying criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Think the rules state a rider has 3 years to make his starting ave. If he fails to do so then he would be refused a visa the 4th year. Might struggle with Manzares as the gov might say he should have been a 7 so will have to start 2015 on that ave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) If he's refused a visa, we'll have 6.12 to find a replacement, any ideas? I'll be gutted if the lad doesn't get a visa to be honest. He was easily the most entertaining Witch I watched at Foxhall last year and he exceeded my expectations for his first season. Just seems wrong that a talent like that can't ride here but someone like Max Dilger can. But, if he doesn't meet the criteria for a visa he doesn't meet it so we'll have to move on. If Worky have already had confirmation that their riders don't qualify, then you'd have thought we'd had confirmation on our riders too if not close to it so hopefully we'll hear something in the coming days. Edited February 4, 2015 by CardinalSin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If he's refused a visa, we'll have 6.12 to find a replacement, any ideas? I'll be gutted if the lad doesn't get a visa to be honest. He was easily the most entertaining rider I watched at Foxhall last year and he exceeded my expectations for his first season. Just seems wrong that a talent like that can't ride here but someone like Max Dilger can. But, if he doesn't meet the criteria for a visa he doesn't meet it so we'll have to move on. If Worky have already had confirmation that their riders don't qualify, then you'd have thought we'd had confirmation on our riders too if not close to it so hopefully we'll hear something in the coming days. TBF the lad has only got himself to blame for being born in America. He should have been a bit more savvy and got himself born in Poland, Sweden or Denmark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 TBF the lad has only got himself to blame for being born in America. He should have been a bit more savvy and got himself born in Poland, Sweden or Denmark! yeah, wrong side of the atlantic, if he was born in a european country like maybe France …… hang on, that didn't do Ellis any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I don't think Ellis will be without a premier team for long, and good luck to him I say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Not so sure Baldyman the problem with Friday meetings for Lakeside that put off a lot of promoters is still there. There might not be too many other options though so his chances will definitely have increased, but I think those affected with Visa issues may well explore other options first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If he's refused a visa, we'll have 6.12 to find a replacement, any ideas? I'll be gutted if the lad doesn't get a visa to be honest. He was easily the most entertaining Witch I watched at Foxhall last year and he exceeded my expectations for his first season. Just seems wrong that a talent like that can't ride here but someone like Max Dilger can. But, if he doesn't meet the criteria for a visa he doesn't meet it so we'll have to move on. If Worky have already had confirmation that their riders don't qualify, then you'd have thought we'd had confirmation on our riders too if not close to it so hopefully we'll hear something in the coming days. It's not wrong at all, Dilger is an EU National and Manzares isn't. Speedway is not above the law... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Not so sure Baldyman the problem with Friday meetings for Lakeside that put off a lot of promoters is still there. There might not be too many other options though so his chances will definitely have increased, but I think those affected with Visa issues may well explore other options first. Other options being even more useless Europeans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It's not wrong at all, Dilger is an EU National and Manzares isn't. Speedway is not above the law...Pretty obvious what point he/she was making and you know that. Cardinalsin already made the point on this thread more than once, that rules are rules and if he doesn't qualify he doesn't qualify. But it does seem "wrong" unfair, skewed or whatever word you choose to use, that someone like Manzares isnt cleared to ride here but another non Brit with far less talent can because of his place of birth. But, as you rightly say, speedway isn't "above the law" and those affected will just have to lump it and like it! The PL will be a poorer place for his, and a couple of others exclusions though. Still, perhaps Ipswich and others will follow Berwicks example, and sign more Slovenian no marks in their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Mike Bacon : "News from CL, cogs moving. No issues with Rohan or Gino getting visas. Yes some riders know they won't get 1" There ya go, good news for us Witches fans then...... Thing is with Ellis, now he has EL and NL. I don't think he can ride PL too...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 But how does Manzares meet the criteria? He hasn't gained an average over 7 and hasn't finished in the top 4 of a state championship. The only thing I can think of, is he is the current US under 21 champion, and someone mentioned on here a while ago that that would meet the qualifying criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Maybe he has 2 more years to gain the average? Or CL still doesn't understand the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Maybe he has 2 more years to gain the average? Or CL still doesn't understand the rules! http://www.speedwaygb.co/gbe That doesn't say you have 3 years to achieve the 7 average. On the qualifying criteria in that statement, Manzares simply doesn't qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Maybe he has 2 more years to gain the average? Or CL still doesn't understand the rules! It also doesn't matter how long his previous work permit was for, as Troy Batchelor has previously said he was in the middle of a 2 year visa which got cancelled and he has had to reapply - likewise will Manzares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Think the rules state a rider has 3 years to make his starting ave. If he fails to do so then he would be refused a visa the 4th year. Might struggle with Manzares as the gov might say he should have been a 7 so will have to start 2015 on that ave! It's a work permit (well technically a visa) which is awarded to the highest calibre of candidate to help improve the sport at the highest level. Not a "training permit" to allow a foreignor to have a few years to learn to become a decent-ish rider. You have to meet the criteria to get one and then continue to hit it, there no 3 year grace period - ask Mason Campton! If Manzares didnt get a 7 point average. The only thing I can see going in his favour is the 7 point average pre-dates the removal of bonus points. Gino averaged 7.13 with bonus points so it could be argued he is eligible. While Wethers and Campton at Workington didnt ever hit 6 with bonus points. The including of bonus points pushes a few Aussies over the 7 point figure and may be a concession the UKV&I have given for now. If Wethers is not allowed in it raises questions about Cam Heeps and Christian Henry Edited February 4, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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