screm Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I noticed Mason Campton blaming the BSPA on his twitter feed Is the their fault he can average over a 5 and cant get top four in a stae title? Don't see why, Campton`s had enough races to get the correct average over here, or to qualify via Aussie State Titles, neither he has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) theres more to it than the riders average maybe rugby and such other sports should be treated the same and build teams to a set standard and also grade there players Maybe, but as it is a presnt Campton does meet required standard Edited February 5, 2015 by montie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) If mason had not got injured in the b final which was not his fault and finished the meeting in the Aussie state titles he would have came min 4th which would have been enough Edited February 5, 2015 by mac101 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 If mason had not got injured in the b final which was not his fault and finished the meeting in the Aussie state titles he would have came min 4th which would have been enoughno he wouldn't have. He had to win the b final to come 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 theres more to it than the riders average maybe rugby and such other sports should be treated the same and build teams to a set standard and also grade there players theres more to it than the riders average maybe rugby and such other sports should be treated the same and build teams to a set standard and also grade there players Can you imagine the furore if Man Utd were told they couldn't sign the likes of Rafael or Di Maria, or Chelsea's Ramires and Luis were sent packing back to Brazil because (by someone's perverted measure) it was ruled they weren't talented enough to be given preference over English players? This whole visa farce is a pantomime invented in Whitehall to punish speedway for being a noisy and dirty sport supported by oiks in the north. It doesn't happen in other sports; why should they pick on us? These individuals are international sportsmen originating from a Commonwealth country wishing to come to these shores in furtherance of their profession and to entertain the paying public. They are paying their own way and have contractual arrangements to prove they will be financially self-sufficient. Polish airline Wizz Air has recently announced that it will be operating a twice-weekly service into Robin Hood Airport from the Slovakian city of Kocise to "bus in" a further 400 immigrants on a weekly basis, most of whom will have nowhere to live and no jobs to go to, but will expect to be housed, provided with benefits to support their families and given free medical healthcare. Is it not time the speedway fraternity rose up in protest at this clear discrimination against talented individuals wishing to ply their trade in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Its frightening how many people actually seem to believe, despite everything thats been documented and said, that its all a ploy to have a go at speedway 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Can you imagine the furore if Man Utd were told they couldn't sign the likes of Rafael or Di Maria, or Chelsea's Ramires and Luis were sent packing back to Brazil because (by someone's perverted measure) it was ruled they weren't talented enough to be given preference over English players? This whole visa farce is a pantomime invented in Whitehall to punish speedway for being a noisy and dirty sport supported by oiks in the north. It doesn't happen in other sports; why should they pick on us? These individuals are international sportsmen originating from a Commonwealth country wishing to come to these shores in furtherance of their profession and to entertain the paying public. They are paying their own way and have contractual arrangements to prove they will be financially self-sufficient. Polish airline Wizz Air has recently announced that it will be operating a twice-weekly service into Robin Hood Airport from the Slovakian city of Kocise to "bus in" a further 400 immigrants on a weekly basis, most of whom will have nowhere to live and no jobs to go to, but will expect to be housed, provided with benefits to support their families and given free medical healthcare. Is it not time the speedway fraternity rose up in protest at this clear discrimination against talented individuals wishing to ply their trade in the UK? For a start Di Maria is Argentinian. Anyway he's been capped 57 times by Argentina, scoring 11 international goals and played 124 games for that small club called Real Madrid, scoring 22 goals. Ramires capped 51 times by Brazil and was deemed good enough to play for that small club called Benfica. Luis has been capped just 10 times for Brazil but managed to play 127 times for that small club called Athletico Madrid. As for Raphael, Man Utd signed him as an 18 year old. So I think most (the first 3 I mentioned at any rate) are talented enough to play in England. Someone, somewhere has to put some sort of rules down as to who should be allowed a work permit/visa, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Harry would be able to come in, whether they were good enough or not. Edited February 5, 2015 by Steve Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Football is and always has been very much subject to work permit regulations. Back in 2001 I was helping on working on the permit applications for two young T&T players Colin Samuel and Devon Mitchell. The rules were very strictly adhered to and it took us two years to get Colin Samuels a work permit for Falkirk - after he had made 6 international appearances and scoring a handful of goals. Devon I seem to recall had a couple of caps but against 'minor' opposition and we never ever got a permit for him as he didnt have enough international caps to show that he would bring something extra to the game in the UK. I think Dundee Utd tried a couple of years later for Devon but again it was rejected. incidentally when Colin Samuel moved from one club to another the new club had to get a fresh work permit for him! So its definitely not anything particularly new! So there you go - its definitely something that has been happening in sport for a long time and its definitely not something football is exempt from or set up just to have a go at speedway (As an aside, i took both lads to the speedway at Glasgow when they were over on a visitors visa - they didnt like it lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Can you imagine the furore if Man Utd were told they couldn't sign the likes of Rafael or Di Maria, or Chelsea's Ramires and Luis were sent packing back to Brazil because (by someone's perverted measure) it was ruled they weren't talented enough to be given preference over English players? This whole visa farce is a pantomime invented in Whitehall to punish speedway for being a noisy and dirty sport supported by oiks in the north. It doesn't happen in other sports; why should they pick on us? These individuals are international sportsmen originating from a Commonwealth country wishing to come to these shores in furtherance of their profession and to entertain the paying public. They are paying their own way and have contractual arrangements to prove they will be financially self-sufficient. Polish airline Wizz Air has recently announced that it will be operating a twice-weekly service into Robin Hood Airport from the Slovakian city of Kocise to "bus in" a further 400 immigrants on a weekly basis, most of whom will have nowhere to live and no jobs to go to, but will expect to be housed, provided with benefits to support their families and given free medical healthcare. Is it not time the speedway fraternity rose up in protest at this clear discrimination against talented individuals wishing to ply their trade in the UK? There are 3 leagues in British speedway, thus anyone with an average in the lower half of the PL (so less than 6) is basically below average. In football there are 4 professional leagues, so anyone playing league league 1 or 2 is below average. So Mason Campton is comparable to a league 1 footballer at best. How many League 1 players have work permits? in fact, how many foreignors (of any nationality) play in league 1 or 2? Comparing Premierships teams star players you're looking at the likes of Doyle, Holder and Batchelor. Not Mason Campton FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 incidentally when Colin Samuel moved from one club to another the new club had to get a fresh work permit for him! So its definitely not anything particularly new!dont be factual Lioness, the speedway fans with little man syndrome about football cant cope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 any chance of carrying on this debate on the proper posting. cheers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 For a start Di Maria is Argentinian. Anyway he's been capped 57 times by Argentina, scoring 11 international goals and played 124 games for that small club called Real Madrid, scoring 22 goals. Ramires capped 51 times by Brazil and was deemed good enough to play for that small club called Benfica. Luis has been capped just 10 times for Brazil but managed to play 127 times for that small club called Athletico Madrid. As for Raphael, Man Utd signed him as an 18 year old. So I think most (the first 3 I mentioned at any rate) are talented enough to play in England. Someone, somewhere has to put some sort of rules down as to who should be allowed a work permit/visa, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Harry would be able to come in, whether they were good enough or not. You COMPLETELY miss the point Steve. Any Tom, Dick or Harry CAN get in... provided they come from an EU Country. Let me prove to you how unjust and ridiculous this is: Last season Taylor Poole thrilled many of us at Owlerton and proved beyond doubt that he is a potential star of the future. It now looks likely he will be excluded from taking further part in British speedway, his only 'sin' being that he is Australian. Another Australian by the name of Arthur Sissis, whose only claim to two-wheeled fame is finishing 29th last year in Moto3 grand prix racing, will nevertheless be allowed in to race in Sheffield colours on the basis that one of his forebears happened to have Greek heritage. How can that be just and equitable? The Whitehall jobsworths who dream up these inane and stupid immigration rules do so for the sole purpose of keeping their well-upholstered backsides in well-paid jobs. I've got £5 for the first person who can tell me any REAL justification for excluding citizens of the British Commonwealth from coming to practice their profession on these shores whilst allowing free and unfettered access to anyone and everyone from the so-called European Union (European Dis-union would be a more accurate title). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 fourthbender your post hits the nail on the head if you pay to be part of europe then the smaller whipping boys like the uk must let all the others come over and work in our country and claim more benifits than our born and bread are allowed all because were scared to stand up to them we are sending work out to a company who is employing foreign workers because aparantly its cheaper our temp workers are agency staff who get minimum wage so we send work out to a company in the yorkshire area over 100 miles away it costs between £300 and £500 in transport costs alone so add that on to the wages how can it be cheaper than keeping work local and paying minimum wage ? ilegal foreign sweat shops paying imigrant workers £1 a hour comes to mind never mind the cost of re doing some of the work because the quality of the work is not good enough for our customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 You COMPLETELY miss the point Steve. Any Tom, Dick or Harry CAN get in... provided they come from an EU Country. Let me prove to you how unjust and ridiculous this is: Last season Taylor Poole thrilled many of us at Owlerton and proved beyond doubt that he is a potential star of the future. It now looks likely he will be excluded from taking further part in British speedway, his only 'sin' being that he is Australian. Another Australian by the name of Arthur Sissis, whose only claim to two-wheeled fame is finishing 29th last year in Moto3 grand prix racing, will nevertheless be allowed in to race in Sheffield colours on the basis that one of his forebears happened to have Greek heritage. How can that be just and equitable? The Whitehall jobsworths who dream up these inane and stupid immigration rules do so for the sole purpose of keeping their well-upholstered backsides in well-paid jobs. I've got £5 for the first person who can tell me any REAL justification for excluding citizens of the British Commonwealth from coming to practice their profession on these shores whilst allowing free and unfettered access to anyone and everyone from the so-called European Union (European Dis-union would be a more accurate title). Err...how has Steve completely missed the point when all he has done is reply referring to the players YOU put up as an example? You named 3 Brazilians and an Argentinian, not Steve! Last time I looked neither Brazil or Argentina were part of the EU! Then you try and claim Sissis shouldnt be able to claim his Greek heritage - why not? Did you complain when Mark Loram rode for GB? He is claiming something he is entitled to claim. Its NOTHING to do with stopping Australian speedway riders or any other Commonwealth sportsmen. The legislation has also been in place for MANY years - the fact that British speedway blatently flouted the rules does NOT mean they can carry on doing so once they are caught out. the fact some are only complaining about it now because it is affecting speedway is not justification 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Happy with that reserve pairing Comets fans? got to be appy with our two. cant really cute and paste any more changes. rusty replacing wethers is good , but we pay a little in the reserve berths. but you never know, this could be the start of a new era of british speedway with nathen spearheading the brits. remember steve worrol.. just need the touch of luck. Edited February 6, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I totally agree with Wethers not getting a visa. He is not good enough to get a 7 point average and does not ride in his state championships. Campton is a totally different case he is an up and coming good young rider who will get to a 7 point average within the next two seasons if allowed to ride and he rides his state championships every year in fact finishing in two last season in the top four. This season he was injured and could not ride so I belove he should have had a fair hearing and an appeal granted. Working tons team is now shocking. No number one and running with two untried reserves could be a long season at Derwent Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I totally agree with Wethers not getting a visa. He is not good enough to get a 7 point average and does not ride in his state championships. Campton is a totally different case he is an up and coming good young rider who will get to a 7 point average within the next two seasons if allowed to ride and he rides his state championships every year in fact finishing in two last season in the top four. This season he was injured and could not ride so I belove he should have had a fair hearing and an appeal granted. Working tons team is now shocking. No number one and running with two untried reserves could be a long season at Derwent Park. There`s no guarantees that Campton would get anywhere near a 7pt average in the next two years, and he received a perfectly fair hearing and was found to be short of the criteria for 2015. Anyway if Campton is the kind of rider who can get to a 7pt PL average then he should have no bother qualifying through his State Champs next winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I totally agree with Wethers not getting a visa. He is not good enough to get a 7 point average and does not ride in his state championships. Campton is a totally different case he is an up and coming good young rider who will get to a 7 point average within the next two seasons if allowed to ride and he rides his state championships every year in fact finishing in two last season in the top four. This season he was injured and could not ride so I belove he should have had a fair hearing and an appeal granted. Working tons team is now shocking. No number one and running with two untried reserves could be a long season at Derwent Park. Is this the same Campton whos average went down last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I totally agree with Wethers not getting a visa. He is not good enough to get a 7 point average and does not ride in his state championships. Campton is a totally different case he is an up and coming good young rider who will get to a 7 point average within the next two seasons if allowed to ride and he rides his state championships every year in fact finishing in two last season in the top four. This season he was injured and could not ride so I belove he should have had a fair hearing and an appeal granted. Working tons team is now shocking. No number one and running with two untried reserves could be a long season at Derwent Park. since when was nikki barret an untried reserve. we do have a number 1. its kenneth hansen.averages dictate that he IS the 1 at 1. would it have been differant if rene bach was at number 1...barret , untried , my hearth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Campton is a totally different case he is an up and coming good young rider who will get to a 7 point average within the next two seasons He'd struggle to get that in the National League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.