Tsunami Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 So what you're saying is, the new rules say the previous season yet it doesn't actually refer to the previous season? The only thing that springs to mind is Brady Kurtz potential dodgy average... last time I checked, doing something once isn't regular. Ignoring of course that May announced an illegal team to the supporters meeting, despite he had been told before that meeting that it WAS illegal. Now that's twice in two years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It just strikes me as madness. UKV&I clamp down on the sport and within weeks the sport is handing out dodgy visas. It's like they think they're above the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It just strikes me as madness. UKV&I clamp down on the sport and within weeks the sport is handing out dodgy visas. It's like they think they're above the law. It's not handing out dodgy visas. If a rider could not compete in the UK last season, then their previous season's average is the one taken into account. Or do you think you know better than the UK government, who have set the rules in the first place? All the best Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Ignoring of course that May announced an illegal team to the supporters meeting, despite he had been told before that meeting that it WAS illegal. Now that's twice in two years. All irrelevant, as he signed someone else without Holder ever riding for Somerset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 why somerset do it regularly! why somerset do it regularly! NOTHING to do with me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 All irrelevant, as he signed someone else without Holder ever riding for Somerset. Of course it is, when you are caught out again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Of course it is, when you are caught out again. It's completely irrelevant for a number of reasons - We are talking about following new rules set out between the BSPA and the UKV&I. Not to mention where Somerset has been used at an example, is one that I haven't defended previously. Unlike the majority of people, I don't think my team that I follow is whiter than white and go into ultra defensive mood when anything bad is mentioned - like yourself for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's not handing out dodgy visas. If a rider could not compete in the UK last season, then their previous season's average is the one taken into account. Or do you think you know better than the UK government, who have set the rules in the first place? All the best Rob But why? The rules don't allow for that. Why, having not raced in the UK last season, didn't Alex just ride in a state final? And Kozza try another after failing in the one he did ride in? I get they were prevented from riding here last season by red tape and were a little unfortunate but both had no excuses for not riding in the state finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) But why? The rules don't allow for that. Yes they do. The UK government are the ones who have set the rules, and the clubs have followed them. All the best Rob Edited March 5, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Yes they do. The UK government are the ones who have set the rules, and the clubs have followed them. All the best Rob http://speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28430 Nothing in there says if the rider didn't get an average last season then you use the season before. The rules do say, 3. The BSPA will consider applications for Discretionary Endorsements for riders who do not meet the above requirements on an individual discretionary basis. Decisions will be made by the BSPA Management Committee who will consider written applications from the club and/or rider concerned. The Management Committee will give written reasons for their decision. Factors to be taken into account when making a discretionary decision will be:- o Whether the riders record in Speedway has been at the highest level and they will contribute significantly to the development of the sport. o Whether exceptional factors prevented the rider from meeting the aforementioned endorsement requirements. Now Alexs' record is he has in about 4 seasons over here hit 7 once, when he was a second string and not a heatleader. So I don't see how he meets the first bullet. As for the second, what exception circumstances prevented him from from riding in a few state finals? Edited March 5, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 http://speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.28430 Nothing in there says if the rider didn't get an average last season then you use the season before. The rules do say, Now Alexs' record is he has in about 4 seasons over here hit 7 once, when he was a second string and not a heatleader. So I don't see how he meets the first bullet. As for the second, what exception circumstances prevented him from from riding in a few state finals? Matter not if he rode at reserve,no2 or rode a lass out the back of the OTA He HIT a 7 last time he was here so he is clear---hence hes booked the bird[not the one at the OTA] to come over next week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Matter not if he rode at reserve,no2 or rode a lass out the back of the OTA He HIT a 7 last time he was here so he is clear---hence hes booked the bird[not the one at the OTA] to come over next week Where in the guidelines does it say averaged 7 last time they were here? The rules says 7 point average from at least 20 meetings last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Where in the guidelines does it say averaged 7 last time they were here? The rules says 7 point average from at least 20 meetings last season. SCB, are you the government then? Because they are the ones who decide. You don't. All the best Rob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 'Whether the riders record in Speedway has been at the highest level and they will contribute significantly to the development of the sport.' This is open to interpretation, this could mean a rider who has averaged over 7 the last time they rode or does this mean a rider who was of GP standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 SCB, are you the government then? Because they are the ones who decide. You don't. All the best Rob This sort of arguement always makes me laugh - just because the BSPA (or the government as you have said) say so doesn't make it gospel. You should know from previous experience how many mistakes they've made on this subject before... So why should we take their word all of sudden? They've produced their rules for all to see, and then go back on them a matter of days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's completely irrelevant for a number of reasons - We are talking about following new rules set out between the BSPA and the UKV&I. Not to mention where Somerset has been used at an example, is one that I haven't defended previously. Unlike the majority of people, I don't think my team that I follow is whiter than white and go into ultra defensive mood when anything bad is mentioned - like yourself for example. I await with interest an example that you have accused me of. Desperate jibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I await with interest an example that you have accused me of. Desperate jibe. Ludvig Lindgren last season, a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Ludvig Lindgren last season, a prime example. How was that an example of my team being less than 'whiter than white' being defended in ultra defensive mood. Again a desperate jibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 SCB, are you the government then? Because they are the ones who decide. You don't. All the best Rob Yeah because the BSPA are perfect and know exactly what they're douing when giving out work permits oh no wait, they messed up badly!! Do forgive me if I don't trust them and worry that they're already taking advantage and we'll see UKV&I investigating again in a few months (maybe years) time but this time they won't be so forgiving or understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Yeah because the BSPA are perfect and know exactly what they're douing when giving out work permits oh no wait, they messed up badly!! Do forgive me if I don't trust them and worry that they're already taking advantage and we'll see UKV&I investigating again in a few months (maybe years) time but this time they won't be so forgiving or understanding. Do you really believe that the BSPA, given what has happened lately, likely to push their luck having just rescued the situation and sport. Dream on. Even an avid BSPA hater is not that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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