RockingRobin Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Oh dear.. Another first post troll. I have been a Speedway fan for over 50 years, and the idiotic guest rider system is worse now then its ever been. Why not follow the Elitserien and have squads, where is the problem there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I'm fully against squad systems in speedway. It's a system that would be more farcical than guests. Rider's will refuse to ride due to other commitments and I have no doubt that the richer clubs will suck up the better rider's with no intention of ever using them etc. Then throw in the affordability factor for the lesser teams. I believe there would be more clubs go bust than survive through squad systems. I would have an identical system to that of the current draft system. Start from scratch and combine every rider's average that rode in the Polish, Swedish, Danish and British Elite League's for 2014. Build teams to 40 for top 6 rider's and a draft rider at No'7 Any rider not in a teams top 1-6 can guest but only 4 times for 1 club in 1 season. That would allow clubs to find genuine cover for injured rider's. Also, it could temp rider's to the British leagues in the following seasons full time etc. The British League needs to really think outside the box, really stretch the imagination. We need to move our league forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Problem is to mov forward costs money if talking about technology, presentation or advertising and we are not going to get money if fans keep dropping away. You could move the sport forward with better organsation such as simple things like letting paying public know when you host league finals or the rules on certain regs. Basics first perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Problem is to mov forward costs money if talking about technology, presentation or advertising and we are not going to get money if fans keep dropping away. You could move the sport forward with better organsation such as simple things like letting paying public know when you host league finals or the rules on certain regs. Basics first perhaps. To attract more people the rules are irrelevant, the product has to be good to watch. Right now it isn't great to watch for the majority. The best way to get an exciting product is to have a league of equal ability. The only way we could do that is have an Elite League where no rider has an average less than 6. It's not financially possible. British Speedway is between a rock and a hard place. It needs stripping right back and starting again. And do you know what, a number of EL promoter's have wanted and tried to but the biggest stumbling block has actually been the Premier League promoter's not approving change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Rules are far from irrelevant. How can we attract new fans and sponsorships when they haven't a clue whats going on. Some of the elderly support have no idea why its changed so much whether it be league structure or replacing 10 point average riders with 6.5 average riders. Do agree with your bottom point however that it needs some sort of reemergance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 To attract more people the rules are irrelevant, the product has to be good to watch. Right now it isn't great to watch for the majority. The best way to get an exciting product is to have a league of equal ability. The only way we could do that is have an Elite League where no rider has an average less than 6. It's not financially possible. British Speedway is between a rock and a hard place. It needs stripping right back and starting again. And do you know what, a number of EL promoter's have wanted and tried to but the biggest stumbling block has actually been the Premier League promoter's not approving change. it's a joke to blame Pl promoters for the state of British Speedway.El promoters are doing their best to ruin Pl IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 it's a joke to blame Pl promoters for the state of British Speedway.El promoters are doing their best to ruin Pl IMO ALL promoters are too blame. They are all as bad as each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 ALL promoters are too blame. They are all as bad as each other. Fair point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) When you build teams in such a way that the top rider in each team is expected to score 10 - 15 points per match, then losing these riders means a massive hole has to be filled points wise. So what can be done? Have a higher team strength to lessen the impact of the No1 ? Not affordable? Have a lower team strength and remove the No1 rider/superstar? Drives people away as the best riders are no longer over here? For me one possible solution is instead of 'guests', teams can 'loan' riders for say a month ie if ward is out then nicholls can replace him for 28 days, however poole cannot race against belle vue for that to happen during those 28 days and nicholls couldn't ride for any other teams during that 28 day period. It would at least lose the 'guest' tag for wider credibility of the sport and also prevent the almost daily changes of guests on a 'horses for courses' basis which happens so often now, meaning riders guesting one night for a team then guesting for someone else against that same team the night after!!... Only the No1 can be replaced with a 'loan' rider however RR can also be used if teams so wish with the No2 and No3 riders taking all the No1 rides if the management of the team see fit. eg if no zagar then nicholls and cook could take his programmed rides. For other riders in the team missing, the rider above them in the averages can take one ride and the 2 riders below can take the other three, (maybe if the fifth rider in the averages is missing then the No4 rider could take two rides to remove the need for the reserves to take three rides?) Probably completely unworkable, however something has to replace the 'free for all' and 'tactical guest selections' which make a farce of the integrity of the competitions as they currently stand.. Edited October 6, 2014 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why not let the remaining heat leaders take the rides, at least you will be watching your own riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 A good old favourite of mine a few seasons ago Emil Satourinof? Rode as number 1 for Coventry at Brummies well pushed up the attendance at Perry Barr. Next week Emil riding in Russia, no allowance for Bees who was number1 Todd Kurtz National League Rider. Try to explain that to a none speedway person. Kurtz scored 0!. See whose riding for Kings Lynn today (just) Bomber and Garrity, the management tried to stop fiddling after Poole last year signing Greg Hancock but the injuries have caused the problem this year. How will this affect the final?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think teams should be able to nominate 2-3 guest riders that they can use throughout the season. Some teams do that already. Coventry Bees have used Aaron Summers and Max Fricke a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 A good old favourite of mine a few seasons ago Emil Satourinof? Rode as number 1 for Coventry at Brummies well pushed up the attendance at Perry Barr. Next week Emil riding in Russia, no allowance for Bees who was number1 Todd Kurtz National League Rider. Try to explain that to a none speedway person. Kurtz scored 0!. See whose riding for Kings Lynn today (just) Bomber and Garrity, the management tried to stop fiddling after Poole last year signing Greg Hancock but the injuries have caused the problem this year. How will this affect the final?. Emil Sayfutdinov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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