RockingRobin Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 What an absolute farce our sport has become ! Guest riders should be banned altogether, but now its gone mad ! Why the hell are Poole allowed to use a guest replacement for a rider who is suspended from the sport ? Its like allowing Manchester United to borrow Sergio Aguero to replace Wayne Rooney, completely farcical ! Its no wonder the Press and Media don't take Speedway seriously. Still I suppose Poole always do exactly what they want, and get away with it ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Woah. I hate Poole as much as the next man but they've done nothing wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 What an absolute farce our sport has become ! Guest riders should be banned altogether, but now its gone mad ! Why the hell are Poole allowed to use a guest replacement for a rider who is suspended from the sport ? Its like allowing Manchester United to borrow Sergio Aguero to replace Wayne Rooney, completely farcical ! Its no wonder the Press and Media don't take Speedway seriously. Still I suppose Poole always do exactly what they want, and get away with it ! Why shouldn't they be able to replace a suspended rider, did Liverpool play with 10 men when Suarez was banned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nothing wrong with teams using guests - thats the system, and its the system thats a farce. Only way to cure it is to have squads of some sort like the Swedes et al. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Guests have been in existence since I first started going in the 70's....I never thought it was the ruination of the sport then and I don't think it is now.....to some degree.... I still don't think that a number 1 being replaced by another number 1 is that bad...it would be far worse for a team to arrive with a junior replacing an absent number 1.....that just short changes everybody...people say newcomers would not return because of guests...well they would less likely to return watching a number 1 beat a junior by half a lap...to me I don't mind a guest replacing a missing top star...it's always happened and I honestly cannot think of a better way at the moment.... But....and there is a but....I cannot remember , ever, teams turning up with 4 or 5 guests...that is the ruination of speedway....I can understand riders doubling up, I don't blame them for a minute, but it's got out of hand...too many of them....guests for injuries, guests for double uppers, fast track riders, fast track guests....teams turning up with 2 of their own riders.....why would a fan support that.....that's the ruination of speedway...not a number 1 rider guesting for another number 1 rider.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 What an absolute farce our sport has become ! Guest riders should be banned altogether, but now its gone mad ! Why the hell are Poole allowed to use a guest replacement for a rider who is suspended from the sport ? Its like allowing Manchester United to borrow Sergio Aguero to replace Wayne Rooney, completely farcical ! Its no wonder the Press and Media don't take Speedway seriously. Still I suppose Poole always do exactly what they want, and get away with it ! Interesting first post! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I still think the original post was a wind-up. Nobody wants guests. This year however, has been a disaster at the end of the year. In any other sport a team with injuries or suspension would replace them with other players on their books. Speedway is different. You can only have 7 riders in your squad and if anyone is injured after a certain date that's it no subs. Like it or not there is nothing else but guests. Like it or lump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 This original post made me laugh. I'm new to the forum but it seems to me that Poole take a lot of stick even if they have nothing to do with the governing body who set the rules every year. Tbh it looks like jealously as they do seem to well every season and you cannot fault that especially as theit track is as fair as the next track. Even with Ward as RR they have been winning so it makes no sense and agree with the other poster that this is surely a wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 What an absolute farce our sport has become ! Guest riders should be banned altogether, but now its gone mad ! Why the hell are Poole allowed to use a guest replacement for a rider who is suspended from the sport ? Its like allowing Manchester United to borrow Sergio Aguero to replace Wayne Rooney, completely farcical ! Its no wonder the Press and Media don't take Speedway seriously. Still I suppose Poole always do exactly what they want, and get away with it ! Oh dear.. Another first post troll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Oh dear.. Another first post troll. Yeah, like we all believe it is a genuine first timer. No prizes for guessing whose grubby fingerprints are all over this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think teams should be able to nominate 2-3 guest riders that they can use throughout the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think teams should be able to nominate 2-3 guest riders that they can use throughout the season. like in a squad system!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 like in a squad system!! Would be good, but I doubt that will happen in this country mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 like in a squad system!! Yes but the riders will already be based here. I think they use a similar system in Sweden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 like in a squad system!! Not really. Take Poole for example. They have riders out on loan to other clubs because they can't accommodate them themselves. It is these riders, and only these, who should be allowed to guest for their parent club. Likewise Swindon are in a similar situation so the same could apply to them. Other clubs may also be able to join the scheme but there are obviously teams such as Leicester who are not able to draw on any suitable loanees. In their case might it not be possible for them to be allocated a couple of riders who are not belonging to any of the other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockingRobin Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Why shouldn't they be able to replace a suspended rider, did Liverpool play with 10 men when Suarez was banned. Liverpool did replace Suarez, but with another Liverpool player, not one borrowed from Everton or Man Utd etc ! That is the whole argument is it not ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Liverpool did replace Suarez, but with another Liverpool player, not one borrowed from Everton or Man Utd etc ! That is the whole argument is it not ? The whole comparing to football thing is flawed anyway...top football teams have international players on the bench...if an international star is absent they are replaced by another international star.....speedway doesn't have the luxury of a spare number 1 rider waiting in a club's wings not riding for anybody else ready to step in when needed....currently , like it or not, the only really competitive way of replacing a missing number 1 rider is using a guest...it's happened for years and I cannot see it as a huge problem The only alternative is a squad system but I cannot see any way clubs can afford that at present...I am sure number 1 riders would want a retainer, probably equipment available if called upon at short notice.....it's expensive having one top rider , never mind having retained squad members...I can't see it being feasible at all As I said before I don't think a number 1 guesting for another number 1 is a problem...it's the number of missing riders throughout the team that's a problem...too many fixture clashes with too many double up riders and teams turning up with 3 or 4 guests in one meeting is where the problem is...that has got out of hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Guests have been part and parcel of Speedway for as long as I have. But it seems to have got out of hand now. One problem is having a single double up rider instead of sharing in a position. Many people pointed out when this decision was taken that it would mean a lot more guests, and so has been the case. For heaven's sake - allow sharing in doubling up riders! People want to see their own riders. Then there's the reserves, some of whom are in ll 3 leagues so they also miss matches sometimes. Guest I can take, but stick to guest for speedway injuries only. that used to be the case. If a rider is riding for another club, suspended or whatever, then it should be R/R only. We need to keep a certain degree of limit on it. You can even have a guest with a higher average than the rider he is replacing, which seems rather daft. After all, if you tried to actually sign that rider you wouldn't be allowed to because it would put you over the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Alias number 30 something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockingRobin Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why shouldn't they be able to replace a suspended rider, did Liverpool play with 10 men when Suarez was banned. Liverpool replaced Suarez with another Liverpool player, that's the whole point ! You don't seem to grasp my argument, do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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