foamfence Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 And do you have evidence that this hasn't been forced on him? I think I believe my own statement! He's agreed very quickly and easily if it was. He's never been backward at letting his feelings be known, so if there is any tension involved we'll soon know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 And do you have evidence that this hasn't been forced on him? I think I believe my own statement! It would be worrying if you didn't believe your own statements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 And do you have evidence that this hasn't been forced on him? I think I believe my own statement! i think your reply is rather silly - you have stated something as a fact with no evidence - I'm not claiming to know different to you but you have shown no evidence to back up your claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) Been following this with interest this asset system is Prehistoric and should be binned now, Self employed people in all walks off life are free to work were they please and are required, Speedway should be no different. If this asset system was challenged it would ultimately lose under Employment law directives it is outdated and unfair. What i will say though Matej Kus has put pen to paper with Redcar relatively quickly so suggests to me he was happy with the terms of the deal to say his hand was forced is ridiculous if Kus didn't want to sign for Redcar bottom line is he wouldn't. Edited December 6, 2014 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/speedway/redcar-bears-aim-complete-team-building-8236997 Looking at this report in today's newspaper, it would seem that Brian and Matej had already had talks about his return to Redcar, before today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/speedway/redcar-bears-aim-complete-team-building-8236997 Looking at this report in today's newspaper, it would seem that Brian and Matej had already had talks about his return to Redcar, before today. Just read that he seem's very quick to mention negotiations with riders publicly and specifically that is twice he has named Glasgow and money on offer i really don't see what relevance this has naming another team in negotiations when they have offered a rider more money. Trying to stir thing's up here is havvy he should just accept that sometimes you win some and other times you lose some he should just get on with his own teams affairs i have not seen anyone else mention money on offer by anyone else bar havvy smacks of being slightly jealous and not very professional. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Just read that he seem's very quick to mention negotiations with riders publicly and specifically that is twice he has named Glasgow and money on offer i really don't see what relevance this has naming another team in negotiations when they have offered a rider more money. Trying to stir thing's up here is havvy he should just accept that sometimes you win some and other times you lose some he should just get on with his own teams affairs i have not seen anyone else mention money on offer by anyone else bar havvy smacks of being slightly jealous and not very professional. I agree, but I was really highlighting the Kus situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/speedway/redcar-bears-aim-complete-team-building-8236997 Looking at this report in today's newspaper, it would seem that Brian and Matej had already had talks about his return to Redcar, before today. Think you're reading between the lines there. That report is more about Redcar being gazumped by Glasgow over Kozza after agreeing a deal with the rider than the Matej Kus situation, which is reported fairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 So Kus has signed for Redcar, Berwick wanted him and have got arsey because Redcar quite rightly demanded a fee for him as he is allowed to do. Berwick are 100% wrong here. Redcar are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I am very happy to have Kus back, always been a big fan although he is a bit marmite with some Redcar fans, but if we are going to signing a gating foreigner, it may as well be one we know can be very good around STMP on his day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I am very happy to have Kus back, always been a big fan although he is a bit marmite with some Redcar fans, but if we are going to signing a gating foreigner, it may as well be one we know can be very good around STMP on his day. As one of his sponsors in 2014, I wish Matej well who ever he rides for. I have no beef with Brian, Matej is a Redcar asset and if they want him back and the terms suit Matej, that is the end of the story. Everyone needs to move on now and accept it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 So Kus has signed for Redcar, Berwick wanted him and have got arsey because Redcar quite rightly demanded a fee for him as he is allowed to do. Berwick are 100% wrong here. Redcar are right. Redcar are right to demand twenty-one grand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Redcar are right to demand twenty-one grand? They can demand what they want, but it doesn't mean anyone has to pay it.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Redcar are right to demand twenty-one grand? To be fair about £5k to £7k for a rider of this calibre is about the right amount, but you can ask what ever you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Redcar are right to demand twenty-one grand? If I have something that I want, and I'm happy with it and then someone else wants it, I'm going to want paying a lot of money for it, higher than the going rate for such an item. How is this any different? He was hardly going to say 8k was he in case Berwick said yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 If I have something that I want, and I'm happy with it and then someone else wants it, I'm going to want paying a lot of money for it, higher than the going rate for such an item. How is this any different? He was hardly going to say 8k was he in case Berwick said yes! So reneging on a loan deal is OK then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 So what about the alleged 2 year loan deal? change the rules when it suits and as for 21 grand ridiculous to say the very least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 So what about the alleged 2 year loan deal? change the rules when it suits and as for 21 grand ridiculous to say the very least if kus had a backbone and really wanted to be at berwick.... He wouldnt have signed for redcar surely?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 football clubs recall players from loan all the time this is a bit of a non story that one or two people seem keen to get excited about Berwick will just sign someone else relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 football clubs recall players from loan all the time this is a bit of a non story that one or two people seem keen to get excited about Berwick will just sign someone else relax Only if the contract is not binding, or it is OK'd between the parties. In football loan deals ARE enforceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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