Arch Stanton Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 It would surprise me greatly. While there's no excuse for jacking in, there's a significant difference about doing it in a heat when the match is dead and buried and doing it in a play off match when a place in the PL final and a possible PL championship at stake. Tungate certainly put it in in heat 15 and it would be quite incredible if a team manager chose him for that when he had simply given up in a race two heats earlier. According to green sheets his average has improved more than any other Ipswich rider (Hawkins is the same) this season. To not 'touch with a barge pole' a rider like that for next season seems to me to be a little foolish. A little foolish in your opinion, my opinion is clearly the opposite to yours. He wouldn't get anywhere near a team spot for me on that figure. As stated above, Tungate doesn't strike me as number 1 material, which he would be on that figure. My judgement may also be clouded somewhat by his incredible comments in the local press earlier in the season. I'm staggered how little was made of those comments especially by some of the supporters on here who actually came on and backed him. When you have supporters such as Baldyman, who travel up and down the country supporting their team, spending a chunk of their hard earned money in the process, I find it totally unacceptable to hear a rider you're supporting come out in the press stating they've not been making an effort in meetings and lack motivation. Lack motivation!!? He's been involved in the sport for 3 years, if he's lacking drive and motivation already then he's clearly in the wrong job and will never make it to the top with that attitude. Hopefully Chris Louis will leave him out of his plans for next season. Tungate can do one as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Well catch 22 if you look at the Ipswich 2015 thread, you will see I've also put no to tungate for next season, but I am pretty sure we will be in the minority, maybe even the only 2 that post on here anyway. King and Worrall would be my top 2 next season, definitely not tungate and risager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 To be fair, to say that a rider is outgated, then "passes" someone on the first bend is not a pass. You could say that at every track. Although of course, even if you remove all of those comments, there are still a good number of heats at the OTA where passes take place after the first lap, which is where some tracks don't measure-up so well. Sort of agree and disagree with the gating and first bend thing, how many times do you see FTG at say Owlerton for example and in previous seasons Rye House. Call me biased but if you are at the at the first bend on any track at the back it's hard work to get past. Where the Rebels have it Sussed is if they are out gated and find themselves poorly placed they normally no where to go to gain position exiting the second bend, quite often you hear of Rebels "left for dead at the tapes" but by the second lap were first and second, or my favourite from Statman "Morris was stone last from the tapes" then chased somebody for the rest of the race finally getting past off the final bend ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 A little foolish in your opinion, my opinion is clearly the opposite to yours. He wouldn't get anywhere near a team spot for me on that figure. As stated above, Tungate doesn't strike me as number 1 material, which he would be on that figure. My judgement may also be clouded somewhat by his incredible comments in the local press earlier in the season. I'm staggered how little was made of those comments especially by some of the supporters on here who actually came on and backed him. When you have supporters such as Baldyman, who travel up and down the country supporting their team, spending a chunk of their hard earned money in the process, I find it totally unacceptable to hear a rider you're supporting come out in the press stating they've not been making an effort in meetings and lack motivation. Lack motivation!!? He's been involved in the sport for 3 years, if he's lacking drive and motivation already then he's clearly in the wrong job and will never make it to the top with that attitude. Hopefully Chris Louis will leave him out of his plans for next season. Tungate can do one as far as I'm concerned. You watch Tungate every week, I don't. But there are just 7 riders in the PL with higher averages. How can he not be number one material ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Well catch 22 if you look at the Ipswich 2015 thread, you will see I've also put no to tungate for next season, but I am pretty sure we will be in the minority, maybe even the only 2 that post on here anyway. King and Worrall would be my top 2 next season, definitely not tungate and risager. King on 8.88 is a no brainer and I agree with you a top 2 of King and Worrall would be excellent. I'm sure there'll be plenty of competition for both riders' signature though so we'll see. On the Tun motivation-gate (see what I did there?) I think he was incredibly naive with the interview he gave to the Ipswich Star. Everyone has bad days at the office in all walks of life where everything seems a struggle, but to admit to the local press that you're travelling to away meetingS with a lack of motivation to do well is a little bit naughty and like I say, naive. He's also left himself wide open to criticism and question marks every time he has a really poor meeting, which he's bound to have from time to time. There will be meetings where he's busting a gut for every lap of every race but things just aren't happening for him, but suspicions will probably remain that he's making little "effort". Also a little disappointing from the Ipswich Star on this occasion. They've been excellent backers of the Witches for many many years now, but they would have known before printing that that was a negative article and wouldn't have shown the rider in a particularly good light. You watch Tungate every week, I don't. But there are just 7 riders in the PL with higher averages. How can he not be number one material ? Possibly because his average was achieved elsewhere in the team, and he's only just moved up to that position. Got to be honest, I wouldn't be comfortable having him leading the team at number 1 either, that would be a mistake in my opinion. Edited October 4, 2014 by Bloomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 King on 8.88 is a no brainer and I agree with you a top 2 of King and Worrall would be excellent. I'm sure there'll be plenty of competition for both riders' signature though so we'll see. On the Tun motivation-gate (see what I did there?) I think he was incredibly naive with the interview he gave to the Ipswich Star. Everyone has bad days at the office in all walks of life where everything seems a struggle, but to admit to the local press that you're travelling to away meetingS with a lack of motivation to do well is a little bit naughty and like I say, naive. He's also left himself wide open to criticism and question marks every time he has a really poor meeting, which he's bound to have from time to time. There will be meetings where he's busting a gut for every lap of every race but things just aren't happening for him, but suspicions will probably remain that he's making little "effort". Also a little disappointing from the Ipswich Star on this occasion. They've been excellent backers of the Witches for many many years now, but they would have known before printing that that was a negative article and wouldn't have shown the rider in a particularly good light. Possibly because his average was achieved elsewhere in the team, and he's only just moved up to that position. Got to be honest, I wouldn't be comfortable having him leading the team at number 1 either, that would be a mistake in my opinion. I agree it was certainly an error of judgement for Rohan to have made those comments early in the season. I think he was probably feeling a bit down at having missed out on an Elite place and perhaps doubting himself because of it. The saying is that honesty is the best policy. Well that doesn't seem to be the case here!! Had he have said he was having some struggles and was confident he would get it right soon and then gone on to have the season he has it is likely all would be a lot rosier with peoples opinions of him. The point that he has achieved it not at number 1 could be valid but then look at his scores in his meetings since and he has done just as well.Perhaps being a number one is the 'motivation' he needs to kick on. The quirk of Speedway is that any rider that improves is automatically at risk for the next year due to the points limit and questions over further improvement. Conversely have a poor year and you can become a 'hot property' and be in demand as many will know you can do better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I agree it was certainly an error of judgement for Rohan to have made those comments early in the season. I think he was probably feeling a bit down at having missed out on an Elite place and perhaps doubting himself because of it. The saying is that honesty is the best policy. Well that doesn't seem to be the case here!! Had he have said he was having some struggles and was confident he would get it right soon and then gone on to have the season he has it is likely all would be a lot rosier with peoples opinions of him. The point that he has achieved it not at number 1 could be valid but then look at his scores in his meetings since and he has done just as well.Perhaps being a number one is the 'motivation' he needs to kick on. The quirk of Speedway is that any rider that improves is automatically at risk for the next year due to the points limit and questions over further improvement. Conversely have a poor year and you can become a 'hot property' and be in demand as many will know you can do better. You're right about the "quirk" of speedway and it does seem perverse that rider who has done well suddenly becomes difficult to employ the following year. Steve Worrall is a prime example. The lad has been absolutely brilliant this year, but I'm afraid now looks a real hot potato who is best avoided next season because of that. Tungate's problem could well be Danny King. King looks to be available next season on an average of 8.88, you'd be pretty daft not to try and get his signature if he could be afforded. You're not going to go for two 8+ pointers and I've a suspicion we could well be very interested in King's services.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 This is only my opinion and my observations of tungate. The reason I don't see him improving much more and becoming the out and out number 1 and going on to be a top elite league rider or other leagues, is basically his limiting style. It seems he is always leg forward and touching ground nearly all the way round the corner, this really does limit what he can do on a bike, it's not a good style to have for letting the bike run in the dirt and it certainly also hinders you changing line quickly in the bends. Just look at Worrall who is going to become a top rider, his style allows him to run around his opposition entering turns which allows him to run to the dirt, his leg is then back and he is balanced, he can then stay in the dirt or quickly lock up and cut up the inside if he chooses, also a foot dab style allows him to enter a corner nearly at 90 degrees allowing him to pin it to the curb, nearly all the top riders have this style in their armoury. Tungates style mainly allows him to race mid track with not much option line change, which is why he very rarely passes from behind and often gets overtaken when in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Does anybody know if anybody films the meeting at Scunthorpe? because if the racing is that good it would be a shame if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 TSO!! You're still lurking Pithy observations, as always From you (not) Had Enough (names on this forum) that is indeed a complement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezza Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Did anyone film the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Did anyone film the meeting? I had a quick look on the Scunny website but couldn't find any mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I had a quick look on the Scunny website but couldn't find any mention. Don't think Scunny meetings have been filmed since GRT Media left a few year back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 No-one currently films the Scunny meetings. GRT Media filmed until early in 2012, Clean Cut Sports did some meetings later in 2012, including the Play-Off Final. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 That's a shame - despite the score I may have been tempted by this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 It wasn't great watching, unless you are a scorpions fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 It wasn't great watching, unless you are a scorpions fan. Halifax Tigers seems to disprove that theory - he seems to really have enjoyed yesterday's meeting and he's a neutral. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I guess it all depends on what different people see as a good meeting. I was seeing it from an Ipswich fans point of view, but if I was a neutral, then yes I guess it was a good meeting with a good amount of passing and gutsy riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It wasn't great watching, unless you are a scorpions fan. ..............or a neutral. For me, it was top drawer stuff I can't believe that one of the best racing tracks in the country has no-one filming there. Big D from Plymouth is always after a fast buck and he does a very professional job, I'll ask him It just shows how a fans view of a meeting can turn on the result (and I am certainly not being critical or sarcastic here because I have been there myself).If Ipswich had got the point (or more) they needed, I suspect you would have thought it was a brilliant meeting too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm sure he would Halifax, and I think that's exactly what Baldyman was saying above.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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