ancient mariner Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 My definition of a 'has been' is a rider who has already peaked in his scoring powers and unlikely to improve. Simota started 2014 on a 7.40 average and finished on 6.10. This despite being at reserve for quite a while. This season he would be in the 1-5, so I don't see any him improving much at all, if anything. I do quite enjoy watching him ride, exciting at times but again very unpredictable. As for handing over bottle of bubbly, nothing unusual there, most riders give something to their sponsors or helpers. AM...why will that comment haunt me? No sleep lost here, I assure you. The signing of Risgaer doesn't fill me with great optimism either. Yes he looks ok at the SBA, but remember he was only beating some poor Devils sides in the past. Because I suspect that you may be in a very small minority in your opinion. On the basis that with presumably the honourable exception of Kyle Newman you appear to disapprove of the rest of the riders announced as signing for the 2015 Devils, are there any that you would deem acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I am taking bets that EVERYBODY who has posted on this forum will be at the opening fixture. I would love to see Polish Dave at #7 he doesnt have long to go before he can become a Brit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) As for handing over bottle of bubbly, nothing unusual there, most riders give something to their sponsors or helpers. Not disputed for a single second, but I'd say a fan who helps and sponsors riders and travels to Glasgow to watch the Devils is an exceptional one. I suspect the Plymouth promotion and riders would like a few more like that. I am taking bets that EVERYBODY who has posted on this forum will be at the opening fixture. I would love to see Polish Dave at #7 he doesnt have long to go before he can become a Brit Not sure I will be.............but I think the attendance will be up on last years average. On a separate note, if you see Brian would you pass on my best wishes for a speedy recovery, please. Edited December 7, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I am taking bets that EVERYBODY who has posted on this forum will be at the opening fixture. I would love to see Polish Dave at #7 he doesnt have long to go before he can become a Brit Now that would be worth watching! How long does he have until he can get citizenship? Could he go NL for a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Dave is well past the 4 year mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Facts need to be checked before accusations are made is all I will say on comments made by certain parties on here. Exactly my point!! You said that Penny Cross will not be missed. Where are your facts to back that he or she is just a paying customer, who you obviously have very little regard for, when in fact they are the ones that are entitled to voice their opinion. You have no idea of the time and expense Penny Cross has given to the sport and to riders at various venues throughout the UK over a period of many decades and throughout that time has never accepted the offer of free admission to any of the venues were they have been involved. Therefore i think it is yourself that needs to know the facts and not make assumptions before making childish comments telling people that they wont be missed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Facts need to be checked before accusations are made is all I will say on comments made by certain parties on here. Exactly my point!! You said that Penny Cross will not be missed. Where are your facts to back that he or she is just a paying customer, who you obviously have very little regard for, when in fact they are the ones that are entitled to voice their opinion. You have no idea of the time and expense Penny Cross has given to the sport and to riders at various venues throughout the UK over a period of many decades and throughout that time has never accepted the offer of free admission to any of the venues were they have been involved. Therefore i think it is yourself that needs to know the facts and not make assumptions before making childish comments telling people that they wont be missed! Do enlighten us then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 ame="Former devil" post="2552684" timestamp="1417974140"] Do enlighten us then It doesn't matter what he has done or hasn't done. Plymouth need every fan they can get so anyone who says that they aren't going (or aren't going as much) will be missed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitgate52 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Sam Simota has signed for the Devils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Poor signing but I suppose that's Plymouth for you! I suppose that up and coming rider Wright signs next! Bottom 3 at best Brutal, but in this sport, as in many others, honesty often is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Who is this polish dave ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Poor signing but I suppose that's Plymouth for you! I suppose that up and coming rider Wright signs next! Bottom 3 at best I think there is some question over whether Simota will improve but there's no doubt that he was the most popular rider (apparently with everyone) at SBA last season, as is evidenced by the fact that he won a clutch of awards at the end of season presentation. There's definitely a case for keeping riders who are very popular with the crowd and its a brave promotion that dumps one of them. A lot depends on who the final two riders are - that will make or break the prospects for the season. Who is this polish dave ?? Polish lad who does a few laps after most meetings as SBA. Edited December 13, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Poor signing but I suppose that's Plymouth for you! I suppose that up and coming rider Wright signs next! Bottom 3 at best Simota was one I wasn't particularly keen on coming back as his average has been achieved by scoring big points at home at reserve so is basically inflated. However he is an entertainer (when the track is right) which means he's probably the only one bar Newman I would have been OK with having back. He's one that I would say you could carry if the other six were improvers because he will put a few 'bums on seats'. He must improve his away form in a big way to justify being in the team. If we sign a half decent reserve then I fancy Simota to drop back down pretty quickly. More importantly for me though are the final two. If I were the promotion I'd be on the phone to Richie Worrall as now that Jack Holder has been re-assessed to a 7-point average I fancy Worrall could be the odd one out and we can still fit him in! So I hope they hang fire on naming the final two until we see who is without a job at the OTA and I really hope no matter what happens James Wright isn't one of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Perhaps you'll use Jack Holder now? Bit of a gamble but it could pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Simota was one I wasn't particularly keen on coming back as his average has been achieved by scoring big points at home at reserve so is basically inflated. However he is an entertainer (when the track is right) which means he's probably the only one bar Newman I would have been OK with having back. He's one that I would say you could carry if the other six were improvers because he will put a few 'bums on seats'. He must improve his away form in a big way to justify being in the team. If we sign a half decent reserve then I fancy Simota to drop back down pretty quickly. More importantly for me though are the final two. If I were the promotion I'd be on the phone to Richie Worrall as now that Jack Holder has been re-assessed to a 7-point average I fancy Worrall could be the odd one out and we can still fit him in! So I hope they hang fire on naming the final two until we see who is without a job at the OTA and I really hope no matter what happens James Wright isn't one of them! I gathered from talking to Devils fans , when I was down there in July , that Simota was a bit inconsistent . He was definitely on one of his going days against us that night scoring paid 17 . And as winning the majority of home fixtures should be first and foremost in a promotion's thinking , then his inclusion is perfectly understandable . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 1. Fisher 7.89 2. T Kurtz 5.96 3. Newman 6.51 © 4. Simota 6.10 5. Risager 7.36 6. Benko 3.00 7. Franc 5.67 By my calculations this totals 42.49! Or 1. Fisher 7.89 2. Simota 6.10 3. Mellgren 6.57 4. Newman 6.51 © 5. Risager 7.36 6. Benko 3.00 7. Wilson 4.80 42.23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Perhaps you'll use Jack Holder now? Bit of a gamble but it could pay off. Very likely I would say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Perhaps you'll use Jack Holder now? Bit of a gamble but it could pay off. Berwick and Glasgow are the only other PL teams that remain able to accomodate Holder. Berwick already have a rider (Jake Allen) on an assessed 7 and Glasgow would only be using 7 of the 8.09 available to them. I would therefore be surprised if either Berwick or Glasgow were to recruit Holder this season. That leaves (by default) Plymouth. Frankly I cannot see Poole allowing Holder to become a Devils' asset, so I assume that there would have to be some kind of 'arrangement' set in place for Holder to become a Devil. While an exciting prospect, it would be likely to leave the Devils vulnerable at reserve unless young Roland Benko shows more of the form he was beginning to show at home before his broken shoulder early last season. So it is a qualified "yes, it could pay off" from me. Edited December 31, 2014 by ancient mariner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paulco Posted December 31, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Berwick and Glasgow are the only other PL teams that remain able to accomodate Holder. Berwick already have a rider (Jake Allen) on an assessed 7 and Glasgow would only be using 7 of the 8.09 available to them. I would therefore be surprised if either Berwick or Glasgow werew to recruit holder this season. That leaves (by default) Plymouth. Frankly I cannot see Poole allowing Holder to become a Devils' asset, so I assume that there would have to be some kind of 'arrangement' set in place for Holder to become a Devil. While an exciting prospect, it would be likely to leave the Devils vulnerable at reserve unless young Roland Benko shows more of the form he was beginning to show at home before his broken shoulder early last season. So it is a qualified "yes, it could pay off" from me. This is the one thing that pisses me off about the asset system . Years ago the second tier was the natural progression to the top tier . If Poole want Jack Holder as an asset , then they use him in 2015 . If he is not regarded as EL good enough yet , then a PL team sign him and if he serves his apprenticeship successfully in the PL and Poole still want him , then they pay a nominal fee . Too often now EL sides are snapping these youngsters up on reputation and leaving the PL clubs to fight over the scraps . The wealth , such as it is , in speedway has to trickle down from the top to the bottom for the sport to have any chance of survival . 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Berwick and Glasgow are the only other PL teams that remain able to accomodate Holder. Berwick already have a rider (Jake Allen) on an assessed 7 and Glasgow would only be using 7 of the 8.09 available to them. I would therefore be surprised if either Berwick or Glasgow were to recruit Holder this season. That leaves (by default) Plymouth. Frankly I cannot see Poole allowing Holder to become a Devils' asset, so I assume that there would have to be some kind of 'arrangement' set in place for Holder to become a Devil. While an exciting prospect, it would be likely to leave the Devils vulnerable at reserve unless young Roland Benko shows more of the form he was beginning to show at home before his broken shoulder early last season. So it is a qualified "yes, it could pay off" from me. In all honesty though look at who is available who could fit at reserve. Wilson, no thanks, Franc, no thanks to name two and of the others out there yet to be signed up I have to say none excite me in any way. Do we look at an assessed five pointer like that Castagna fellow who might do something? For me we'd be taking a bit of a gamble whether we look at a rider with PL experience who is still unsigned as the options are limited, an assessed five pointer or an untried NL rider. So given those options I'd happily take Holder and say Ben Morley rather than say a James Wright and a five pointer. Mellgren would be interesting if not a bit pricey! That said if we do go down the three-pointer route we could in theory sign another 'number one' (not that we would). I wonder if we may just see a rabbit pulled out of the hat for one of our final two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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