Skidder1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) The riders ARE available - just not got visas through yet - so what's wrong with announcing them in the 1-7? Every club has a deadline to announce their teams before the BSPA officially 'declare' them (or not?). If its just a time issue, I'm sure the BSPA will be very supportive of any/all teams in any league affected by the visa issues!! After all nobody yet knows what new criteria might have been agreed with the UKVI re 'migrant riders'? Edited February 20, 2015 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 The riders ARE available - just not got visas through yet - so what's wrong with announcing them in the 1-7? Every club has a deadline to announce their teams before the BSPA officially 'declare' them (or not?). If its just a time issue, I'm sure the BSPA will be very supportive of any/all teams in any league affected by the visa issues!! After all nobody yet knows what new criteria might have been agreed with the UKVI re 'migrant riders'? At last a sensible post regarding the present situation british speedway is in:-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I just think down at Plymouth they're winging it. They don't seem to know what they're doing which just confuses people! Don't take much to confuse you to be fair, i'm sure there not happy your confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 scb is is usually pretty spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) scb is is usually pretty spot on Did I say he wasn't, i'm just sorry he's confused, can't be happy not knowing what everyone is doing. Edited February 20, 2015 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Don't take much to confuse you to be fair, i'm sure there not happy your confused. I'm not the one who is confused. I grasp the concept of a 25 year old NOT being under 25. I grasp that not having a visa to work in this country doesn't constitute any of the following reasons thus doesn't allow a facility for said rider... 16.5.1 A Team may utilise a "Facility" to cover the absence of a Rider(s) who:A is on FIM World Speedway Championship duty. B is engaged elsewhere at a BSPA shared or fee Meeting. C is recalled by his own FMN in accordance with the FIM ISLB Regulations. D has been injured whilst speedway racing, Within 48 hours of the injury occurring, if no evidence is available, a Medical Certificate must be sent to the SCB; failure to do so will result in the mandatory suspension of the Rider’s SCB Registration for the next home fixture. NB. The BSPA MC cannot overrule the suspension. E is sick or carrying a non-speedway injury for which a Medical Certificate must be supplied to the SCB within 48 hours of the sickness / injury occurring in which case the Rider may only return within 7 days (including his Team’s next home Meeting) with the express permission of the MC. However failure to provide a Certificate will nevertheless result in the mandatory suspension of the Rider’s SCB Registration for the next home fixture. NB. The BSPA MC cannot overrule the suspension. F has been suspended by the FIM, ACU, SCB or Rider’s FMN. G is in dispute with his Club, provided that the circumstances have been accepted by the MC, who will determine the Facility and period of the Rider’s inactivity. H is on FIM Longtrack Championship duty (for the day of the Meeting only; no facility is permitted for practice day). I being a PL Rider whose own FMN does not have a current Agreement with the BSPA and is competing in another National League or Open Meeting. This will result in the Rider’s SCB Registration being suspended for 1 (one) season and the Team will be automatically granted a facility for a maximum period of 28 days, after which they must re-declare. J is awaiting medical clearance from the Riders FMN. K is absent for any other reason (applicable to the NL only) Maybe the Plymouth promotions has the follow line scrawled on there in red wax crayon, "L when work visas have been screwed up" Edited February 20, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Sorry to ask (and hijack) this, on a PL thread, but does F) mean that Poole can have a facility for Darcy then? :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm not the one who is confused. I grasp the concept of a 25 year old NOT being under 25. I grasp that not having a visa to work in this country doesn't constitute any of the following reasons thus doesn't allow a facility for said rider... Maybe the Plymouth promotions has the follow line scrawled on there in red wax crayon, "L when work visas have been screwed up" this wealth of knowledge from the person who said rusty harrison wouldn't be eligible to ride this season! You don't know s**t. You don't know the criteria for visas unless you work for the ukvi which you obviously don't because jack holder does meet the criteria required what that is I dont know but I don't pretend to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 this wealth of knowledge from the person who said rusty harrison wouldn't be eligible to ride this season! You don't know s**t. You don't know the criteria for visas unless you work for the ukvi which you obviously don't because jack holder does meet the criteria required what that is I dont know but I don't pretend to!So what you're saying is "he meets the criteria because they say he does" with no actual reason... Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the same thing they've been making a mess of for the past God knows how many seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 this wealth of knowledge from the person who said rusty harrison wouldn't be eligible to ride this season! You don't know s**t. You don't know the criteria for visas unless you work for the ukvi which you obviously don't because jack holder does meet the criteria required what that is I dont know but I don't pretend to! Rusty Harrison doesn't have a visa. So I was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Rusty Harrison doesn't have a visa. So I was right. What about Campton and Poole? Ohhh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 What about Campton and Poole? Ohhh.... Not quite sure what you trying to get at here, Campton and Poole had visa's, then along with all the other Aussie riders and where the licenses were revoked and clubs had to re-apply. In Sheffield case Poole's was refuse Sheffield have accept that and now looking at a replacement for his team spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not quite sure what you trying to get at here, Campton and Poole had visa's, then along with all the other Aussie riders and where the licenses were revoked and clubs had to re-apply. In Sheffield case Poole's was refuse Sheffield have accept that and now looking at a replacement for his team spot. The point he's making is that I (along with najjer) said they wouldn't get visas - and they haven't. So sometimes at least we DO know more than the promoters who lewy is telling us we should trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 The point he's making is that I (along with najjer) said they wouldn't get visas - and they haven't. So sometimes at least we DO know more than the promoters who lewy is telling us we should trust.No i,m not i,m saying you dont know rules or the criteria for obtaining a visa read the post and digest its content dont make it up like najjer does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 No i,m not i,m saying you dont know rules or the criteria for obtaining a visa read the post and digest its content dont make it up like najjer does! Again, another post and statement made without anything to back up your claim. We'll have to start calling you Starman before too long. Just because you say so, or the promoter says so, we have to believe you with no explanation as to why. The point he's making is that I (along with najjer) said they wouldn't get visas - and they haven't. So sometimes at least we DO know more than the promoters who lewy is telling us we should trust. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Najjer could you post or provide a link to the criteria for obtaining a visa to ride speedway in Britain for 2015 so we can share your knowledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Najjer could you post or provide a link to the criteria for obtaining a visa to ride speedway in Britain for 2015 so we can share your knowledge I can post a link to the previous criteria which has stood since at least 2009 - which as I've said all along Jack Holder and others don't qualify under that criteria. So, I've answered your question, how about you answering mine - how does Jack Holder qualify for a work permit now, when he failed previously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 2009 hmmm only 6years old I would imagine this has been updated if anyone knows what the present up to date criteria is ? I can post a link to the previous criteria which has stood since at least 2009 - which as I've said all along Jack Holder and others don't qualify under that criteria. So, I've answered your question, how about you answering mine - how does Jack Holder qualify for a work permit now, when he failed previously? Jack was 13 then there must be s updated version since then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Rusty Harrison doesn't have a visa. So I was right. Great to see your not confused on that one, anymore gems you can enlighten us on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 With respect to whether or not a facility may be acvailable for Fisher, the following quote from Plymouth Devils forum may be relevant: 16.5.2 For an absent Rider with (a) an assessed MA, or ( has been approved in a team’s declared line-up at the start of the season, a 28-day Facility may be granted at MC’s discretion.16.5.2.2 If the absent Rider has an assessed MA and is a PL#1 (by MA) only RR facility is allowed. I assume that this may be the facility to which the team manager refers? Waits for a proper battering in short order ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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