lewy Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I am wondering just how you have come to that ridiculous conclusion. Of course he has a PL average, as dictated by SCB Regulations: Cat 4: Riders who have ridden in the National Development League as an Amateur 18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is: Cat 1 8.00 Cat 2 7.00 Cat 3 5.00 Cat 4 3.00 Not that that, as Islander has pointed out, has the slightest relevance. I suggest you try to make a reasonable argument that Chapman can double up in the face of this regulation: NL eligibility: 19.9.2.2 A current PL Rider under 25 years-old with a PL MA of 4.00 or below at the start of the Season. We'll see. I'll await an explanation as to how he can double up given the specific rules that say that a rider aged 25 or over can't do so. Then again, it won't be the first time the BSPA completely ignore their own rule book. Matt ford and gary may advised the plymouth promotion so i,m sure we will be ok:-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) ...but you are still referring to last year's rule book!!! Expect loads of 'last-minute' changes/updates/options in the 2015 version, once the visa situation is sorted!! It's already been said by either a NL promoter or a NL team manager (you can probably guess the two I'm thinking of, but I can remember which one it was!) that that rule has NOT changed for this year. That was after it was asked if Bowen could DU of which he can't and he's not Rye's number 1. Edited January 27, 2015 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 We are not somerset we know the rules you and your promotion dont! Having read Halifax Tiger's post on the rules, that comment might come back to bite you on the bum! That is of course unless they decide to change the rules, stranger things have happened! However, as it stands it would seem the promotions of both teams are as bad as each other ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Having read Halifax Tiger's post on the rules, that comment might come back to bite you on the bum! That is of course unless they decide to change the rules, stranger things have happened! However, as it stands it would seem the promotions of both teams are as bad as each other ;-) It wont! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Having a visa wasn't my point in the post, I know the riders mentioned are EU riders, having a visa has nothing to do with any rider from Europe or Australia & New Zealand coming over and riding for clubs, when young British lads can do the job that they are doing, and maybe better, riders I mentioned I feel have had there chance, its about time clubs looked nearer home, and gave some of are British lads a go. my apologies and I agree that British riders should be given every chance to prove that they can hold down a premier league position, but they must want to do the job in hand and not retire from the sport at the first sign of pressure. We have had, and still have some great British riders, but some of the youngsters can talk the talk but are unable to walk the walk and until they grow a pair we will only have a hand full of British riders to follow in the tyre tracks of Jessop, Louis, Loram, Carter, Collins, Morton & Woffinden Edited January 27, 2015 by starshooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) my apologies and I agree that British riders should be given every chance to prove that they can hold down a premier league position, but they must want to do the job in hand and not retire from the sport at the first sign of pressure. We have had, and still have some great British riders, but some of the youngsters can talk the talk but are unable to walk the walk and until they grow a pair we will only have a hand full of British riders to follow in the tyre tracks of Jessop, Louis, Loram, Carter, Collins, Morton & Woffinden I agree, you can get to a level, like some have, but then to go that step further like the riders you have mentioned, you have to grow a set of balls, and the likes of Lambert, Cockle, Johnson, Halsey etc, until they do, will always be a good NL riders, and a reserve in the PL at best, well one of them is. Edited January 28, 2015 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Matt ford and gary may advised the plymouth promotion so i,m sure we will be ok:-) I am sure that this comment is but 'we got told it was OK' is part of the problem. I have little doubt that Plymouth got told Chapman was OK to double up (although why they needed to ask is anyone's guess) in exactly the same way that I have little doubt that Somerset were told that Holder was on a 5.00. One thing is certain: we'll never know precisely who told them that. It wont! You might well be right. It won't be the first time a bent decision has been made without explanation or clarification and it probably won't be the last. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 We are not somerset we know the rules you and your promotion dont! Yet the rule has been quoted from 2014, and Len Silver has confirmed is still in place for 2015, yet you are choosing to just ignore it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Whilst he may not of been first choice for many, he would still score a lot more than Chapman would - who we are led to believe is an illegal signing anyway. Exactly the point I was making. He wasn't on my 1-7 but was a damn sight closer to it than Chapman was. Just to be clear I'm not knocking Chapman but one season in the NL with an average around 5.5 doesn't make you PL ready. Morley is by far the better option if we're talking purely about on-track ability regardless of any rule breaches! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 In this case the rule is a bit daft, Chapman would be punished for being a late starter in speedway. A promising newcomer shouldn't be prevented from riding both NL & PL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Exactly the point I was making. He wasn't on my 1-7 but was a damn sight closer to it than Chapman was. Just to be clear I'm not knocking Chapman but one season in the NL with an average around 5.5 doesn't make you PL ready. Morley is by far the better option if we're talking purely about on-track ability regardless of any rule breaches! The signing of Chapman is down to the management, they will take the glory or the flak Mike, i'm not going to questing the decision, we are not sure yet if he will be allowed to ride in the PL yet, like you he would not be my choice, one average year in a bad the NL team, don't make anyone ready to go into the PL, we have had better NL riders in the team, and they have failed badly, Cockle, Rhead, Hughes, so Lee must see something in the lad the rest of us don't see. Edited January 29, 2015 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Deleted as misread above post. Edited January 29, 2015 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 In this case the rule is a bit daft, Chapman would be punished for being a late starter in speedway. A promising newcomer shouldn't be prevented from riding both NL & PL. Completely agree. The age restriction is stupid and wouldn't happen in any other area of life. Follow suit of the PL / EL and give riders over 25 two years max too double up then its make or break time.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 The signing of Chapman is down to the management, they will take the glory or the flak Mike, i'm not going to questing the decision, we are not sure yet if he will be allowed to ride in the PL yet, like you he would not be my choice, one average year in a bad the NL team, don't make anyone ready to go into the PL, we have had better NL riders in the team, and they have failed badly, Cockle, Rhead, Hughes, so Lee must see something in the lad the rest of us don't see. Or he's just the cheapest option! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Or he's just the cheapest option! And that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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barncooseboy Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TIME TO ORGANISE GODFREYS GOLDEN SWEEPSTAKE CHAMPIONSHIP. I wanted to run it at Somerset a couple of years ago but GM (I assume) didnt like the idea. ALL entrants pay £500 Final winner takes £10000 2nd £5000 3RD £2000 4th £1000 5th to 8th £500 should make for a couple of cracking semis and final IF I live long enough and Plymouth are still around I WILL RUN IT IN 2020 as part of the Plymouth Mayflower 400 Festival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 ALL entrants pay £500 Final winner takes £10000 2nd £5000 3RD £2000 4th £1000 5th to 8th £500 should make for a couple of cracking semis and final It won't. All that'll happens is what happened at the Exeter Farewell and the "Richest minute of speedway" at Poole - all the riders will agree to share the money, making it a damn squib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I will be paying it in CASH to the winners on the track, and contracts will have a no split clause in them. I have arranged enough split finals back in the 60s to put a stop to it. (I started when I was 14 doing that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Looking forward to seeing jack holder race visa permitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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