CaptainAudi Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Excuse my ignorance but Sam Chapman (born 16 February 1989) ? Does that not mean he will be 26 this season and too old to double up between Brum & Plym ? Not saying the date is accurate (Wikipedia) just asking the question.... Speedway results have his date of birth as.... 1998-05-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 taken from speedway gb a-z CHAPMAN, Samuel (Sam)DATE OF BIRTH: 16 February 1989, Truro, Cornwall.BRITISH CAREER: (2014) Scunthorpe II; (2015) Birmingham. does this create an issue or not with his nl place, any body know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) NL eligibility: 19.9.2.2 A current PL Rider under 25 years-old with a PL MA of 4.00 or below at the start of theSeason. He's 26 at the start of the season (because it doesn't start on the 1st January, it starts on 15th March), so he can't ride for Birmingham and Plymouth. That's the 2014 regulations, though, and we all know how accurate they are..................... I sense a crooked interests of speedway, no public justification, say a word against it and you'll be shafted from all sides decision. Edited January 20, 2015 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 He certainly isn't 16! Last season I think he was about 24 so 26 for next season will probably be correct. Yes this is a problem as you cannot double-up at over 25, hence why Simon Lambert can't this year and why Rye were going to have Bowen lead the NL team this year but have realised they can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 He certainly isn't 16! I didn't think he was that young, I agree the 25/26 date of birth is the more likely one, just wonder how the rules allow it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 NL eligibility: 19.9.2.2 A current PL Rider under 25 years-old with a PL MA of 4.00 or below at the start of the Season. He's 26 at the start of the season (because it doesn't start on the 1st January, it starts on 15th March), so he can't ride for Birmingham and Plymouth. That's the 2014 regulations, though, and we all know how accurate they are..................... I sense a crooked interests of speedway, no public justification, say a word against it and you'll be shafted from all sides decision. As far as age goes I thought it was a riders age at the start of that year, not the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) As far as age goes I thought it was a riders age at the start of that year, not the start of the season. The rule quite clearly says under 25 at 'the start of the season'. The season is defined: Season: The period from March 15th (March 8th when Easter falls in March) to October 31st (both inclusive) and Meetings may only be held outside this period where specific written permission of the SCB has been given. As far as I can see he will be 26 at the start of the season, so he is ineligible to ride in the NL if he is riding in the PL. As I say, though, that's the 2014 Regulations, which also state that Jack Holder's average is a 5.00. Edited January 20, 2015 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 When ages of riders are taken into consideration, it's the age at the start of the year. If a rider is 21 on January 2nd, then they can still compete in the Under-21 events for that season. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 When ages of riders are taken into consideration, it's the age at the start of the year. If a rider is 21 on January 2nd, then they can still compete in the Under-21 events for that season. All the best Rob Thanks for clearing that one up rob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) When ages of riders are taken into consideration, it's the age at the start of the year. If a rider is 21 on January 2nd, then they can still compete in the Under-21 events for that season. All the best Rob That's in the FIM Regs relating to the U21 championship: 072.2.1 Eligibility The limit for the minimum age (16 years) starts on the date of the rider's birthday and the limit for the maximum age (21 years) finishes at the end of the year in which they reach 21 years, pursuant to the FIM Medical Code. That's for individual championships only and has no relevance to racing in leagues in this country. SCB Regulations most certainly do. Edited January 20, 2015 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) The rule quite clearly says under 25 at 'the start of the season'. When ages of riders are taken into consideration, it's the age at the start of the year. If a rider is 21 on January 2nd, then they can still compete in the Under-21 events for that season. All the best Rob Regardless of when his birthday is, or the fact that he will or will not be 26 at the start of this Year, or Season, whichever point in time you choose, that one word, 'UNDER' precludes him from riding in the NL. It means he will certainly be 1 year, if not 2 years too old according to the rule HT quoted, as long as that rule is adopted for the 2015 season of course. Edited January 21, 2015 by womble53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Quite a risk signing this? I hope they have a decent reserve alongside him or he'll be under a lot of pressure to score points... Might be being a bit harsh here but did he just stand out at Scunthorpe last season because the rest of the team was so bad? Out of curiosity why hasn't Ben Morley had more of a chance at PL level? Seems to have been around for ages but never had a decent run in the Premier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Kelly 41 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 As far as age goes I thought it was a riders age at the start of that year, not the start of the season. So did I, as I posted earlier. However, as the 2014 SCB regulation have been posted to say "start of the season" it is pretty clear. What you and I were thinking, I suspect, is the FIM regulation for riders entering U-21 events and the like -- that runs from Jan 1, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Its one thing for a team to be announced - but totally another for it to receive official approval/declaration!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Regardless of when his birthday is, or the fact that he will or will not be 26 at the start of this Year, or Season, whichever point in time you choose, that one word, 'UNDER' precludes him from riding in the NL. It means he will certainly be 1 year, if not 2 years too old according to the rule HT quoted, as long as that rule is adopted for the 2015 season of course. Thats my reading of it too, a rider has to be under 25. So 24 or less on March 15th. Lets be kind here and say Jan 1st to be consistent with the FIM - Sam Chapman was 25 on the 1st January thus not UNDER 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former devil Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If that rule is still in place, looks like it could be back to the drawing board. Im sure it would be more financially viable for Sam to stay nl for another year and score big points and grow in confidence rather than just do pl, which we all know is a big step up. Also according to a post on the Plymouth forum it looks like the team will be without their captain for 7 meetings due to fixture clashes. Perhaps a change in the captaincy would be beneficial to give the team some sort of consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Its one thing for a team to be announced - but totally another for it to receive official approval/declaration!! Perhaps they got approval from the same person at the BSPA who agreed Jack Holder could come in on a 5.00. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Out of curiosity why hasn't Ben Morley had more of a chance at PL level? He's not Australian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So did I, as I posted earlier. However, as the 2014 SCB regulation have been posted to say "start of the season" it is pretty clear. What you and I were thinking, I suspect, is the FIM regulation for riders entering U-21 events and the like -- that runs from Jan 1, Start of the season though is not a fixed date each year, for example do we take the start of this season to be the Ben Fund meeting at Swindon or the first official fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Start of the season though is not a fixed date each year, for example do we take the start of this season to be the Ben Fund meeting at Swindon or the first official fixture. The start of the season is 15th March unless Easter falls in March, in which case it is the 8th. The SCB Regs definition of Age is "The minimum age is the date when that age is reached, whereas the maximum age limit is as at 1st January that year". On re-reading 19.9.2.2, I believe "start of the season" is only intended to apply to the 4 pt PL average and not the age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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