Pirate Nick Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 "so I couldn't breath so my dad hit him, sadly he's unconcious " This bit seemed to disappear from his latest line of defence on facebook. As guilty as BFD no doubt. Grab my son by the throat and you'd get a battering from me as well. Can't see anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I am not sure that it was a wise move by Nathan Greaves to have made his FACEBOOK statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Grab my son by the throat and you'd get a battering from me as well. Can't see anything wrong with that. Maybe, but "hurl abuse from the terraces and I'll jump over and kick you" as Eric Cantona did may also seem fair enough in one regard but it didn't stop him getting a long ban. It's NOT the law of the jungle when a professional, regulated sport is concerned. It would seem all but certain that bans are going to be handed out in this case too. Is Clegg also going to face a hearing for his actions in heat 20 of the NLRC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Good to see them both shake hands after a cracking race. As Dean said its time to move on and let's hope the SCB don't go over the top with the punishments. I wonder how the FA would react if a footballer involved and punished for an onfield incident then went into the crowd? The SCB need to show the same strong action if they reach a guilty verdict in the Nathan Greaves=Coventry-Cradley case. Maybe, but "hurl abuse from the terraces and I'll jump over and kick you" as Eric Cantona did may also seem fair enough in one regard but it didn't stop him getting a long ban. It's NOT the law of the jungle when a professional, regulated sport is concerned. It would seem all but certain that bans are going to be handed out in this case too. Is Clegg also going to face a hearing for his actions in heat 20 of the NLRC? Edited September 30, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 all the on track nonsense is one think, but jumping into the crowd is quite another... i suspect this will be the issue. its just not acceptable behaviour and very dangerous, he should get a ban for that alone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 It dosent matter who was to blame just fine the riders and move on. They shook hands tonight so obviously they are over it. What happened off the track just get them to shake hands and move on. It should stay within speedway, we dont need anybody else involved (police etc) because if that happens we all will suffer in the future .health and safety is already poking its ugly head into speedway and we dont need it My take on it. SCB to fine the riders involved. And to then give them bans of a few months but suspended for a year. Warn them that so much as showing a sign of aggression once off the track will see them banned. But don't ban them for this first incident, let them learn from it. Both seemed to have got over it last night, shook hands after heat 9. It may have been faked to look good for next weeks hearing but let them continue to fake it and the World will be a happier place. Banning them won't make them suddenly like each other if they've got issues will it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Nathan Greaves on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/nathan.greaves.33/posts/1525703150999201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 After last night in the play-offs they both did themselves credit by racing very hard and shaking hands after it! It needs to be investigated, it needs to delt with with some sort of punishment to everyone involved! Its difficult to say they should recieve a ban but a very strong warning and hefty fine and docking there wages from the meeting maybe the correct choice in this matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 After last night in the play-offs they both did themselves credit by racing very hard and shaking hands after it! It needs to be investigated, it needs to delt with with some sort of punishment to everyone involved! Its difficult to say they should recieve a ban but a very strong warning and hefty fine and docking there wages from the meeting maybe the correct choice in this matter. Naughty boys usually do behave well - AFTER they have been caught! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 My take on it. SCB to fine the riders involved. And to then give them bans of a few months but suspended for a year. Warn them that so much as showing a sign of aggression once off the track will see them banned. But don't ban them for this first incident, let them learn from it. Both seemed to have got over it last night, shook hands after heat 9. It may have been faked to look good for next weeks hearing but let them continue to fake it and the World will be a happier place. Banning them won't make them suddenly like each other if they've got issues will it? I think you've got it spot on SCB. I've seen quite a bit of all 3 of these lads, and whilst I can't claim to be a close friend of any of them, I'd say I know enough to say they are decent lads, and this behaviour seems out of character. (If I was drawing up a list of riders likely to cause trouble, they'd all be very low on the list - Danny Phillips probably at the bottom). It seems to me they've been caught up on the heat of the moment, and sadly that aggresiveness that seems to often accompany Cradley matches. I'd also suggest that the behaviour of some adults involved may have been worse than these 3 youngsters. A big fine wouldn't be right for riders who earn very little. A ban would be over-harsh. A strong reprimand and a ban suspended for a year would seem to be correct, and they would be left in no doubt that any similar behaviour in future will mean an immediate ban. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 It's small fry in comparison to a BSF debate elsewhere about Darcy Ward. But none of the 'alleged' offenders ride for Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Can I ask why Phillips has been summoned? What his part? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 intersting without being there its hard to judge i hope theres enough video evidence to back up the truth whatever it is if theres people to blame riders and refs can be punished by the bspa not sure what can be done about pit staff maybe just ban them from bspa controlled events riders have been banned before for throwing punches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 intersting without being there its hard to judge i hope theres enough video evidence to back up the truth whatever it is if theres people to blame riders and refs can be punished by the bspa not sure what can be done about pit staff maybe just ban them from bspa controlled events riders have been banned before for throwing punches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 It really is a great pity that this has happened but happened it did. For those of you that dont know Nathan he is not by any stretch of the imagination a loud mouthed big headed teenager, in fact one would say he is almost the opposite. I fear that the BSPA may seek to make an example of Nathan as he is an easy target being young and its only the NL so no great fuss to be made by one of the bigger promoters losing a key rider for a few meetings. Yes what he did was wrong and No one knows it more than Nathan and i suspect he very much regrets jumping into the crowd, but obviously in that moment in time his head had gone, with all the goings on around him, his dad being knocked over who wouldnt in that few seconds have a rush of blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 intersting without being there its hard to judge i hope theres enough video evidence to back up the truth whatever it is if theres people to blame riders and refs can be punished by the bspa not sure what can be done about pit staff maybe just ban them from bspa controlled events riders have been banned before for throwing punches Tbh the pit lane at Coventry lends itself to this kind of thing as it is accessible to pit crew riders and supporters and vice verse. Maybe strict guidelines for the lane need to be introduced including marshalling. It is the only one of that design I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 It really is a great pity that this has happened but happened it did. For those of you that dont know Nathan he is not by any stretch of the imagination a loud mouthed big headed teenager, in fact one would say he is almost the opposite. I fear that the BSPA may seek to make an example of Nathan as he is an easy target being young and its only the NL so no great fuss to be made by one of the bigger promoters losing a key rider for a few meetings. Yes what he did was wrong and No one knows it more than Nathan and i suspect he very much regrets jumping into the crowd, but obviously in that moment in time his head had gone, with all the goings on around him, his dad being knocked over who wouldnt in that few seconds have a rush of blood "his dad being knocked over who wouldn't". What about the poor lad that got knocked out by his dad and put in hostpital, has everyone that are making excuses for nathen forgotten about that.!!!!.that is the reason why the meeting was abandoned, A bit of pushing and shoving on track you expect,but to carry it on off track, and then to jump into the crowd and start abusing them,young or not it can not happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I thought they had gotten to the curfew it was getting on for 10.30pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I thought they had gotten to the curfew it was getting on for 10.30pm. because the ambulance was attending the young lad that were assaulted by mr greaves snr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I thought they had gotten to the curfew it was getting on for 10.30pm. No, the incident on the track happened around 10.10 if I remember correctly. It took 15/20 minutes to get the injured party conscious and into the ambulance. The referee then came down in to the pits to talk to the riders and management. By that time it was 10.30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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