Fromafar Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I will try to explain Howe transfer was done on 15 June. Sarjeant new average started 19 June he was a 3 when Howe was transfered.Hope you can understandYou have not explained the part that was discussed earlier,interpretation is everything in speedway that is why they have the word "may" in the rule book though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 The new decared team on the 15 June was under 42.50 simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I will try to explain Howe transfer was done on 15 June. Sarjeant new average started 19 June he was a 3 when Howe was transfered.Hope you can understandI will try to explain.As at the 15th Sarjeant had ridden sufficient meetings to gain a real averages. As you say effective from 19th as per NORMAL 7 day rule. HOWEVER there is a sub section to the regulations stating that upon REDCLARATION this can be effective IMMEDIATELY. Hence IMO any replacement for Kozza shouldve had to have been below his average. Now it is a discretionary application so as it has been agreed by the MC not to apply it is a legal change. What is frustrating is that perfectly sensible rules that are there to stop manipulation such as this are NOT applied yet there are also "rules" that dont actually exist that are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 phew ! i almost followed that until the last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I will try to explain. As at the 15th Sarjeant had ridden sufficient meetings to gain a real averages. As you say effective from 19th as per NORMAL 7 day rule. HOWEVER there is a sub section to the regulations stating that upon REDCLARATION this can be effective IMMEDIATELY. Hence IMO any replacement for Kozza shouldve had to have been below his average. Now it is a discretionary application so as it has been agreed by the MC not to apply it is a legal change. What is frustrating is that perfectly sensible rules that are there to stop manipulation such as this are NOT applied yet there are also "rules" that dont actually exist that are. How is trying to replace avery badly injured rider using the 7 day rule manipulating the rules? Would you have been happier if Kozza had got injured a week earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 How is trying to replace avery badly injured rider using the 7 day rule manipulating the rules? Would you have been happier if Kozza had got injured a week earlier.one of the stupid posts i have ever seen on this forum!!  I resent you trying to imply me wanting a rider injured whoever it was and whenever it happens  My comments have nothing to do with Kozza being injured or when it happened.  The manipulation is bringing in a rider on a HIGHER average whatever the circumstances. The change shouldve been like for like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Dent bother wasting your time bruv, it seems any rules can be bent or not adhered to and the fans of those teams will always defend it. Â What's just as bad is other clubs including ours let them get away with not adhering to the rules. So they are as just as much to blame. Edited June 23, 2015 by baldyman 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Think the word "may" in this regulation permits the MC to treat each case on it's merits (i.e. at their discretion). Â In this instance I do not think Glasgow were deliberately manipulating the regulation by replacing a fit rider, but were forced to make a change due a rider suffering a serious season ending injury. Â Also given that Kozza was increasing his points return immediately before his accident, I can understand why the MC chose to base their decision on the Tigers overall team average when Glasgow submitted the change (i. e. bringing in Howe on his current GSA). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 There shouldn't be any may in the joke book. Still. It's an entertainment and not a sport so 4 guess anyone can do what they want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Think the word "may" in this regulation permits the MC to treat each case on it's merits (i.e. at their discretion). Â In this instance I do not think Glasgow were deliberately manipulating the regulation by replacing a fit rider, but were forced to make a change due a rider suffering a serious season ending injury. Â Also given that Kozza was increasing his points return immediately before his accident, I can understand why the MC chose to base their decision on the Tigers overall team average when Glasgow submitted the change (i. e. bringing in Howe on his current GSA). Now and try and explain that to MANSE,simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Think the word "may" in this regulation permits the MC to treat each case on it's merits (i.e. at their discretion). Â In this instance I do not think Glasgow were deliberately manipulating the regulation by replacing a fit rider, but were forced to make a change due a rider suffering a serious season ending injury. Â Also given that Kozza was increasing his points return immediately before his accident, I can understand why the MC chose to base their decision on the Tigers overall team average when Glasgow submitted the change (i. e. bringing in Howe on his current GSA). Â It really highlights the farcical way the sport is governed as baldy says why have "may" in any rule book, make it quite clear when the rule will be implemented. I agree imo Glasgow did not try and manipulate the averages, however due to Sarjeant missing so many matches through doubling up he did remain on his assessed average for an "abnormal" length of time compared to the matches ridden (likewise Lambert at Peterborough). Now if rule was clarified to say a new average would be implemented if a rider missed x amount of matches and team decided to redeclare then it would be clear to everyone. Â What I would be very interested to hear is when MC would deem it appropriate to use the rule?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 A fair and reasoned point added by Cyclone. You may well be right in your assumption for the MC decision. Â However in then becomes a subjective opinion rather than fact and renders averages and the points limit impotent. Â Imagine if a riders scores were going down prior to injury and the MC ruled as a result the replacement could only be6 a point under as a result.Quite rightly people would find that laughable. Â Also agree that the word 'may' in the regs is the problem and it has no place there IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Still. It's an entertainment and not a sport so 4 guess anyone can do what they want. Â That's the key point that no-one seems to grasp. Â It has no credibility as a sport so just treat it as entertainment. Â It's so much less stressful!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Good management by Glasgow. Panthers have been without Olly Allen for months & cant seem to find a solution, but Glasgow sort out a new rider in a week or so. Not knocking Panthers management by the way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Good management by Glasgow. Panthers have been without Olly Allen for months & cant seem to find a solution, but Glasgow sort out a new rider in a week or so. Not knocking Panthers management by the way. Allen should have been replaced months ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Now and try and explain that to MANSE,simple!and his mate Mensa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 dazpanther, who would you have replaced Allen with out of interest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 dazpanther, who would you have replaced Allen with out of interest ? Many a rider out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Name them then, because I was struggling to think of many due to Elite riders over 6 being banned, & our Sunday meetings ruling out riders who ride in Poland. Sheffield have not been able to replace Stead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 As Proud Panther said Glasgow made the change when Kozza got injured keeping us under 42.50 on the 15 June so we can have 7 riders.What have Peterborough and Sheffield done nothing but use other teams riders.Surely this has to stop at sometime at least we went out and made something happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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