SCB Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 we will find out shortly. the only guy looking good at the moment is jack holder. coming in on a 7 point average and a newbie. cant see a prob with that application. Why does he look good? He's not averaged 7 and not finished top 4 in a state final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Surely if you achieve the criteria and take a 1 year break your average would still stand for your next Visa application the following year Why? Â What about a 2 year break? A 3 year break? A 10 year break? Â The criteria states that you need an average over 7 the previous season or top 4 state championship. If you take a year break and don't do the state championship then as it stands you don't achieve the criteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why does he look good? He's not averaged 7 and not finished top 4 in a state final. but he is an assesed 7 point man and therefore able to ride under the 7 point min requirement required by ukip.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 but he is an assesed 7 point man and therefore able to ride under the 7 point min requirement required by ukip.. Not true at all. Or anyone could get a work permit in the first instance. You have to have finished in the top 4 of a state final to get a work permit and he hasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 or have a 7 poit average of which he has according to the bspa. assessed though it maybe, but still a 7. cant argue with the laws of british speedway. thats why plymouth are able to fit him in. its only because dumderset tried to get him in on a 5 that the bspa say he is a 7. so fits in with the ukip rules as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 jenga a 7 point average isnt the same as an assessed 7 point average. A 7 point average is attained by a rider in competitive speedway in the UK PL.  An assessed average is allocated by the BSPA to a rider who has not ridden the required number of competitive matches to get an actual average after he has attained a VISA through finishing top four in the state titles and is purely 'assessed' for team building purposes  Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 but he is an assesed 7 point man and therefore able to ride under the 7 point min requirement required by ukip.. So is Nigel Farage now involved? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why? Â What about a 2 year break? A 3 year break? A 10 year break? Â The criteria states that you need an average over 7 the previous season or top 4 state championship. If you take a year break and don't do the state championship then as it stands you don't achieve the criteria even if he takes 1-3-10 year break he will still come back on his last average he ride on so can't see any problem with how long he takes out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Lioness on a other subject Fans Trust which you seem to have knowledge of.My thinking of this their is a committee set up which you join the trust [ figures just for example ] pay 20-00 per month = 240-00 per year say 100 people join =24000.00 per year.The fans trust has nothing to do with speedway club i think. Speedway club come along at end of season we made a 20000.00 loss we will not run next season unless you help us. What do i get for my 240.00 is just a donation to keep speedway going. ? Â Â / .Surely leads to team running beyond theiir means if they can depend on Fans Trust or another word --------- . Hopefully you can explain Edited February 25, 2015 by MANSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 You have a valid point,it's said every winter that Promoters have to get there house in order regarding financing and running the sport but the AGM usually results in some minor rule change and they all go home happy saying how great the AGM was.Then say they are in financial difficulties and need money from the fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 even if he takes 1-3-10 year break he will still come back on his last average he ride on so can't see any problem with how long he takes out So you think it would be ok for a club to sign Ivan Mauger and Barry Briggs? It should be all about a rider level NOW not at some point in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 did matty wethers ever reach a 7 poibt average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) did matty wethers ever reach a 7 poibt average. Odd one Matty Wether as he come in on a 3 and rode NL. So I dont get why he now suddenly needs a work permit. Or did Edinburgh and Wolves break the rules all them years ago? Â But no, I don't think he's ever averaged 7. 6.XX a few times while scoring lots of bonus points though - he's got 8+ with bonus points a few times. And he did get 4 in the EL once. Edited February 25, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 even if he takes 1-3-10 year break he will still come back on his last average he ride on so can't see any problem with how long he takes out The regs clearly state that it is in the previous season - as SCB has pointed out it has to be about ability NOW which is why they state previous season. Thats not just something that happens in speedway, as I have said a couple of times I came across it in football when we were trying to sign players way back    Lioness on a other subject Fans Trust which you seem to have knowledge of.My thinking of this their is a committee set up which you join the trust [ figures just for example ] pay 20-00 per month = 240-00 per year say 100 people join =24000.00 per year.The fans trust has nothing to do with speedway club i think. Speedway club come along at end of season we made a 20000.00 loss we will not run next season unless you help us. What do i get for my 240.00 is just a donation to keep speedway going. ?   / .Surely leads to team running beyond theiir means if they can depend on Fans Trust or another word --------- . Hopefully you can explain  If you have a look at the page the Monarchs have set up it gives quite detailed but in straighforward language the way a supporters trust runs.  My experience of setting up fans trusts is from Falkirk and Stirling Albion as well as one or two others plus working under the auspices of Supporters Direct Scotland which is really no longer these days so although I have a good grounding in it some of it may (actually make that should) have been updated. I havent worked with the trust movement for 5 years now.  Basically though, an individual only ever owns one share in a trust. Some trusts can be set up with Share Save schemes which allow you personally to buy shares via your trust in your club but as far as I am aware that has only ever been used by football clubs and one rugby club and is treated as an almost separate arrangement. Some trusts are set up with the aim of obtaining a stake in the club or even full ownership (rare), others just solely with raising money for the club which are made as donations with nothing received in return.  Really there is no straight answer to your question as every trust has its own idiosyncracies and it depends on your individual trusts constitution and aims and also how you are registered. Stirling Albions Trust was the vehicle which allowed them to become a fan owned club. Falkirks trust enabled them to buy shares and also proxy shares to have a say at board level and for a while a fans representative on the board (although that has now been removed). As I understand it, Edinburgh's trust is simple a vehicle to raise funds to ensure the clubs continuation with no intention of ever having shares in the club. In all cases, every member of each trust, no matter what they contribute, still has only one share in the actual trust itself. What you get out of it is helping your club flourish and survive whether by fundraising or fans representation or in extreme cases the chance to takeover.  Trusts have a board which should be elected by the membership (or in the case of a new trust ratified by the membership) and they have a responsibility to ensure that any funds raised are passed on and used in accordance with their constitution so a lot depends on what is contained within it (I spent about 6 months working on drawing up Falkirks with another guy and that was with Supporters Direct Scotland input - they arent straight forward although should be a bit easier nowadays than they were back then).  Theres a lot more information on the Supporters Direct website if you want it at http://www.supporters-direct.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Thank you LIONESS for your detailed explanation your second last paragraph was the bit i was interestd in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Odd one Matty Wether as he come in on a 3 and rode NL. So I dont get why he now suddenly needs a work permit. Or did Edinburgh and Wolves break the rules all them years ago? Â But no, I don't think he's ever averaged 7. 6.XX a few times while scoring lots of bonus points though - he's got 8+ with bonus points a few times. And he did get 4 in the EL once. As I have said somewhere on here. I tried to sign Matty for the Gems when he first came over( about 2002). I understood he was eligible for the CL, but had already signed for Wolves and I went elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 So you think it would be ok for a club to sign Ivan Mauger and Barry Briggs? It should be all about a rider level NOW not at some point in the past. were talking about modern day riders are we not Kozza had a average of over 7 when he finnished the last season he races here and will come back on that I don't see how a year out will make you less a rider than before just look what sam masters and Justin sedgeman achevied with a year out 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) did matty wethers ever reach a 7 poibt average.Yes, Matty started the 2011 season on a 7.04 average, and I'm sure it's been higher than that at points. *2011 Scotwaste Monarchs' team so far: Kevin Wolbert (Germany) 7.96, Matthew Wethers (captain, Australia) 7.04, Andrew Tully (Scotland) 6.68, Ashley Morris (England) 3.00. Points remaining 17.82.*  EDIT: He started 2009 on a 7.30 average. Edited February 27, 2015 by MonarchsMitchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagy1 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Yes, Matty started the 2011 season on a 7.04 average, and I'm sure it's been higher than that at points. Â *2011 Scotwaste Monarchs' team so far: Kevin Wolbert (Germany) 7.96, Matthew Wethers (captain, Australia) 7.04, Andrew Tully (Scotland) 6.68, Ashley Morris (England) 3.00. Points remaining 17.82.* Â EDIT: He started 2009 on a 7.30 average. What a year that was!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) What a year that was!!!! For your good selves, yes it was! Â Not quite as impressive as last year though.... Edited February 27, 2015 by MonarchsMitchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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