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Posted 28 September 2014 - 05:15 PM

 

 

I don't know why you didn't just drop to the PL. Your crowds wouldn't have been much different from the EL, had you put a decent side together. With less expence. That said, i wish the club the best of luck, and hope, your fans support it.

 

Cheaper to run, but if the fans don't support it, you'l have Egg on ya faces. You need a side that's going to challenge for Honours, then, you might make it pay..

 

This is why Businesses are successful or not, you cut the cloth accordingly and do not wish for things to happen, but act in accordingly sound sense.

 

Probably that's why many teams have cash flow problems, spending above there income on not on sound financial sensibilities.

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From The Argus by Brian Owen


Eastbourne chief Bob Dugard has revealed why he has no financial worries about taking the club into third-tier racing.

Eagles will track a young side in the National League in 2015 after their Elite League place was put on ice for a year.


It rlosses, even if the new team prove to be a turn-off for fans.

The long-serving promoter revealed: “Financially I’ve got no fears about next year.

“If we only get 100 people per meeting our losses would still be one-sixth what they are at the moment.

“At 200 people per meeting we would almost be breaking even but we would not be able to help riders with equipment and the like.

“At 400 people we would be able to help them in that way. But that’s all it would be.

“It would not be spending big money on riders.

“The whole basis of this league is to develop young riders and we won’t be any different.

“I don’t know what level we will be at in the first season but we will get to grips with the league in time.”

Eagles’ change of league means skipper Cameron Woodward will leave the club he joined early in the 2006 season as a young replacement for the injured Brent Werner.

He has been granted a testimonial at Arlington next year.

 

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Members11,013 postsPosted 28 September 2014 - 05:15 PMI don't know why you didn't just drop to the PL. Your crowds wouldn't have been much different from the EL, had you put a decent side together. With less expence. That said, i wish the club the best of luck, and hope, your fans support it.Cheaper to run, but if the fans don't support it, you'l have Egg on ya faces. You need a side that's going to challenge for Honours, then, you might make it pay..This is why Businesses are successful or not, you cut the cloth accordingly and do not wish for things to happen, but act in accordingly sound sense.Probably that's why many teams have cash flow problems, spending above there income on not on sound financial sensibilities.

As previously said and see sussex bulldogs post there are too many meetings in the PL hence why the drop to NL

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I have not followed NL much so am curious to know how they build teams. I have a feeling there is no 'points total' and no attempt to equalise the teams at the start of the season. This would account for Cradley being much too strong this year and Scunthorpe without a single point at the bottom.

 

If Eastbourne are to rebuild the fan base this year they will have to be at least competitive, not always winning but competitive.

I can't imagine any of us would have gone to see either of these teams this year. A succession of 5-1's with riders strung out over half a lap or more is not going to do the trick.

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That is probably not a problem to teams attached to senior tracks like Coventry, Kings Lynn, Scunthorpe & Cradley(Wolves), but how do the likes of Devon & Buxton survive when they have to cover Stadium Costs?

It will certainly be a interesting year but I have a feeling the only one.

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I have not followed NL much so am curious to know how they build teams. I have a feeling there is no 'points total' and no attempt to equalise the teams at the start of the season. This would account for Cradley being much too strong this year and Scunthorpe without a single point at the bottom.

 

If Eastbourne are to rebuild the fan base this year they will have to be at least competitive, not always winning but competitive.

I can't imagine any of us would have gone to see either of these teams this year. A succession of 5-1's with riders strung out over half a lap or more is not going to do the trick.

You could argue the same point talking Edinburg v Plymouth - poole v Leicester.

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I have not followed NL much so am curious to know how they build teams. I have a feeling there is no 'points total' and no attempt to equalise the teams at the start of the season. This would account for Cradley being much too strong this year and Scunthorpe without a single point at the bottom.

 

If Eastbourne are to rebuild the fan base this year they will have to be at least competitive, not always winning but competitive.

I can't imagine any of us would have gone to see either of these teams this year. A succession of 5-1's with riders strung out over half a lap or more is not going to do the trick.

 

There most certainly is a points total (40, I believe). Cradley used their financial muscle to build the best team they could while Scunthorpe made no attempt to build a competitive side and just chose to give some youngsters experience.

 

I suspect the points limit will be lower next season, but that will depend on the number of teams - I doubt very much that Plymouth will run again and I think that there will be a minimum limit too at least potentially ruling Scunthorpe out. Cradley may go PL.

 

Malcolm Vasey advocates setting a points limit year on year as close to the start of the season as possible. He's right.

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There most certainly is a points total (40, I believe). Cradley used their financial muscle to build the best team they could while Scunthorpe made no attempt to build a competitive side and just chose to give some youngsters experience.

 

I suspect the points limit will be lower next season, but that will depend on the number of teams - I doubt very much that Plymouth will run again and I think that there will be a minimum limit too at least potentially ruling Scunthorpe out. Cradley may go PL.

 

Malcolm Vasey advocates setting a points limit year on year as close to the start of the season as possible. He's right.

 

I doesn't have to be close to the start of the season but it is essential that it is related to the number of teams in the League and the more there are at this level the lower the points limit must be so that the best riders are shared around between the teams as far as is possible. Therefore it cannot be formulated prior to the commitment of Clubs to compete at National league level for the 2015 season.

 

If there are to be 12 teams in the National League next season I would suggest that given the shortage of top riders the points limit can safely be reduced to around 35 or 36 points. We must also remember that riders' averages are slightly inflated on previous years due to the fact that there were some exceptionally low averaged opponents in the League last season. I don't wish to comment on the rights and wrongs of that but I think for the sake of evenness of teams there should be a lower limit that all teams must reach at the start of the season about five points perhaps less then the actual points limit. We are in the entertainment business and sides racking up over seventy points is rarely exciting.

 

Last year there was considerable upheaval at this level because of the Fast Track system which is an important rider development tool and should continue but some attempt needs to be made to minimise the effect on Clubs who's core business is the National League otherwise the support will diminish further. This can be done perhaps by Elite teams having a Fast Track Squad of three riders and also by the National League Clubs perhaps dodging fixture clashes by changing dates of matches whenever possible.

 

We have to give the public there own team at all levels whenever possible many people say to me that the excess of guests and riders doubling up and down is spoiling the sport's appeal as everyone rides for everyone else. I think they have a point.

 

Malcolm Vasey

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This can be done perhaps by Elite teams having a Fast Track Squad of three riders and also by the National League Clubs perhaps dodging fixture clashes by changing dates of matches whenever possible.

Squad idea is good - not right the number of guests theres been in the nl this year.

The problem with 'dodging fixture clashes' is it leads to probs getting nl fixtures completed by the cut off

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Squad idea is good - not right the number of guests theres been in the nl this year.

The probIlem with 'dodging fixture clashes' is it leads to probs getting nl fixtures completed by the cut off

 

I was thinking of my own Club we could switch a home match to a Sunday sometimes and do that even to help other Clubs. I am not advocating mass delay with fixtures far from it just switching by a day perhaps many teams are stuck with a set day of the week and have to get on with it.

 

So many people are saying that there are far too many guests they want their own team it is impacting on attendances and it is impacting on our credibility especially when we say so often that riders are in three teams etc. Its not acceptable on the present scale something has to be done at all; levels. Newcomers to our sport must think we are like all in wrestling when we make such statements.

 

Malcolm Vasey

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I was thinking of my own Club we could switch a home match to a Sunday sometimes and do that even to help other Clubs. I am not advocating mass delay with fixtures far from it just switching by a day perhaps many teams are stuck with a set day of the week and have to get on with it.

 

So many people are saying that there are far too many guests they want their own team it is impacting on attendances and it is impacting on our credibility especially when we say so often that riders are in three teams etc. Its not acceptable on the present scale something has to be done at all; levels. Newcomers to our sport must think we are like all in wrestling when we make such statements.

 

Malcolm Vasey

Hopefully, if the Elite go with one day Wednesday, there shouldn't be any fixture clashes. National looking excellent next year with Eastbourne & Lakeside hopefully joining

 

Agree with your suggestions about a lower points limit & a reduced higher points limit - the way to go

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