thehammer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Having seen Wilson-Dean in action over here in NZ a few times he's certainly someone that doesn't give up, but he's also prone to over trying. Canterbury v Auckland a few weeks back he fell of his own accord a couple of times trying too hard when behind. He's definitely a NZ rider with potential, but then again the youngster to impress the most this season in NZ is Hayden Sims, who incidentally will be back across with the USA Dream Team. Hayden was disappointed to finish 3rd in U21's but went on to finish 2nd in seniors, just missing out on the title in the last lap to James Sarjeant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filth Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hammer I believe Wilson was riding an 898 jawa in the meeting you mentioned, hence his poor score. Look at his last 4 meetings, 12 point max at u21, 12 points against Canterbury, 16 points against invercargill, then a 15 point max against invercargill. He's also stated that he's never been beaten by "Hayden Sims" put them on a track together and see who impresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Cant remember ever seeing him , who has he ridden for. There were 4 New Zealanders came over a couple of seasons ago, riding 2nd halves. He may have been here then. I think I saw them at Sheffield. I think RTD and Haydn Sims were 2 of them? Having seen Wilson-Dean in action over here in NZ a few times he's certainly someone that doesn't give up, but he's also prone to over trying. Canterbury v Auckland a few weeks back he fell of his own accord a couple of times trying too hard when behind. He's definitely a NZ rider with potential, but then again the youngster to impress the most this season in NZ is Hayden Sims, who incidentally will be back across with the USA Dream Team. Hayden was disappointed to finish 3rd in U21's but went on to finish 2nd in seniors, just missing out on the title in the last lap to James Sarjeant Well they do say 'if you're not falling off you are not trying'. Maybe he will stop falling off soon Edited February 21, 2015 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Cross Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Having seen Wilson-Dean in action over here in NZ a few times he's certainly someone that doesn't give up, but he's also prone to over trying. Canterbury v Auckland a few weeks back he fell of his own accord a couple of times trying too hard when behind. He's definitely a NZ rider with potential, but then again the youngster to impress the most this season in NZ is Hayden Sims, who incidentally will be back across with the USA Dream Team. Hayden was disappointed to finish 3rd in U21's but went on to finish 2nd in seniors, just missing out on the title in the last lap to James Sarjeant Excactly the reason he shouldnt be allowed in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ceglio Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 The handbook clearly states you must be British or British ancestery so at what part does that mean he shouldn't be in NL? No disrespect but in that league who stands out that may make elite league racing or higher apart from Clegg? Ellis Perks - learnt to race in Aus Adam Ellis - British / French Brandford British / Aus Wilson Dean Nz / British Look at all the riders that came through the NL through Patriality believe me from what I've seen on videos him passing Sarjeant (one of British Speedways prospects) making him look slow and stand still this is just why the National League needs especially if he does that at Arlington he's going to set the crowd alight! Eastbourne have got a brilliant chance in the Pairs at KL if he does come over Wilson Dean - big track rider Owen - 8 point avg there last year Warwick - big track rider Fours im not so sure I don't see why you are against the kid he has done exactly what Perks, brandford Ellis, herne , Taylor Poole , Dakota north , Cameron Heeps did? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Excactly the reason he shouldnt be allowed in the NL. oh come on if he was on your team you wouldn't be moaning! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 You're right Alex nothing more that Penny moaning about the rules again, maybe an investment in a rule book like Eastboune now have with averages and penny might get the rule about passport and ancestry rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think Penny Cross was making the point at non-Brits shouldn't be in the NL and the rule is crap. Not that Eastbourne have broken any rule. It seems odd that at a time where Aussies are being kicked out of the PL for not being good enough we're letting foreigners into the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Nobody is against Wilson-Dean, Michael, just as SCB has said some people are questioning the rule and therefore a couple of other riders that you have mentioned. What does get tiresome though, is your continued love-in for a guy who's yet to race over here and is yet to prove anything but you seem to think categorically beyond doubt that he's going to take the league by storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Cross Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 You're right Alex nothing more that Penny moaning about the rules again, maybe an investment in a rule book like Eastboune now have with averages and penny might get the rule about passport and ancestry rights. SCB is quite right. I don’t agree with that rule at all, but do agree, Eagles haven’t broken the rules. As for investing in a Rule book, perhaps the Dugard family should have purchased one. After all, the rule about riders having some sort of partiality would automatically come in on a 5pt assessed average has been the same for years. Then this mess wouldn’t have surfaced in the first place! I genuinely object to any Brit being dropped for a non Brit. If this NZ turns out to be a good rider, who will he represent in the future? NZ of course, which is why I object, its nothing personal. Oh and another thing, young Ellis Perks was born in the UK, to British parents, so doesn’t even come into this argument! His family moved to Aussie around 7/8 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Penny your spot on, Dugard should have read a rule book and not made such a simply mistake but looking at the footage of the Wilson guy Lets call him BWD i would say and have to be fair in this case he does look better in NZ then Brenden Johnson looks here. If BWD makes it here as good as he has in NZ then i have to agree with Dugard and co they made the right choice. And Mr Ceglio you going to stand up and have a bet with me about BWD 10 points in the first month? as i am looking forward to it a free meeting from you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filth Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 BWD is racing today in the Auckland championship, let's see how he goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filth Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Year in year out Bunyan and Terry-Daley come to New Zealand to ride and nobody says anything, but when a kiwi with British patriality (his father has a British citizenship) you lot throw your arms in the air. How does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ceglio Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Your bet is on Cat in the Hat I can just see that he's going to be good Islander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filth Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Bradley Wilson-Dean at Auckland champs, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) See i heard that he was no good he dropped a point , Me and the family are looking forward to seeing the young lad, I guess he is lucky to have a link to the UK via ancestory rights but even if he was not in the NL he could go into the PL or EL as he has won a state Championship, Eastbourne have done well to get hold of him, And my bets looking as if i am going to owe Mr Ceglio some money for George Wood fund. And i agree with Penny that Brenden was unfortunate that Team Dugard could not use a calculator and read a rule book, but i also agree with Solo that Bunyan has been out to New Zealand and taken the Championship also not having any rights to ride there then take the GP Wildcard? I would be really Pi*sed if i was a New Zealander for that to happen, If Dugard had got it right and dumped someone else and fitted in Brenden in i still don’t think everyone would be happy, But again rules are rules and they are there to read and bend to each and everyone’s advantage, Matt Ford has done it in the past. A new Start for Eastbourne and let’s hope that it works for them this year as this would be a shame to see it close. Maybe go up to the PL if crowds are good? Edited February 23, 2015 by catinthehat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Year in year out Bunyan and Terry-Daley come to New Zealand to ride and nobody says anything, but when a kiwi with British patriality (his father has a British citizenship) you lot throw your arms in the air. How does that work? Not all of us. I am delighted that he has been signed and think that Eastbourne have done a great job bringing him in and I look forwards to seeing him ride. As far as I am concerned he has as much right to ride as any other British rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Think for him to ride the Bspa should ask whether he will represent gb at national level should he progress. Although I don't think he is in the under 21 semi or final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Bradley Wilson-Dean at Auckland champs, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2. See i heard that he was no good he dropped a point , If you put me, Lucifer Sam, starman and Gemini in a speedway race 1 of the 4 of us would win it. It wouldn't make us good, it would just make us less bad than the other 3 Just who did he beta for his 14 points? It might be a good performance, it might be a least bad performance. Edited February 23, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) If you put me, Lucifer Sam, starman and Gemini in a speedway race 1 of the 3 of us would win it. It wouldn't make us good, it would just make us less bad than the other 3 Just who did he beta for his 14 points? It might be a good performance, it might be a least bad performance. Would that be Donkey race, i remember at Dudley Wood, the riders had a donkey derby race at the end of season . Edited February 23, 2015 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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