pete cc Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 All this talk of who is dropped for who is nothing to do with any of us. What Eastbourne want to do must be whats best for Eastbourne. When in business you must do whats best for that business, if it all goes ** up, thats the time to start giving it the i told you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I agree with Halifaxtiger in that they should have dropped Warwick. He gained his average largely from his exceptional home form on IOW. Not so good away.I think his average will drop, as I don't see him as a small track specialist. Johnson however, although slightly below Warwick average wise, would imo, increase his average by around 1pt. Im quite sure he would have been a high scoring and consistent scorer at Arlington. Also exceptional with sponsors and actively works hard to get them and keep them Not at all impressed with Dugards press release. Clearly he hoped the NZ lad would come in on a 3pt average. So why not say so? Poor PR. Sorry Eagles fans, I genuinely believe the wrong rider has been dropped. Re Brendan Johnson: The tragedy of modern speedway where no matter how good you may be, you lose a place in a side to a lower scoring rider because of the STUPID equalisation points doctrine for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Because the lad is getting himself sorted for new season, will have sorted sponsors etc Happy he has a team and then all of a sudden nothing. No rider will want to ride for Eastbourne if they treat riders like that. Don't confirm your team and then change it right on eve of season, once declared that should be it ! yes i agree but we wouldn't have had a team having left it with this set-up of riders. I feel sorry for BDJ but a place will come up from injury later this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I agree with Halifaxtiger in that they should have dropped Warwick. He gained his average largely from his exceptional home form on IOW. Not so good away.I think his average will drop, as I don't see him as a small track specialist. Johnson however, although slightly below Warwick average wise, would imo, increase his average by around 1pt. Im quite sure he would have been a high scoring and consistent scorer at Arlington. Also exceptional with sponsors and actively works hard to get them and keep them Not at all impressed with Dugards press release. Clearly he hoped the NZ lad would come in on a 3pt average. So why not say so? Poor PR. Sorry Eagles fans, I genuinely believe the wrong rider has been dropped. its true! i was more excited about Johnson than Warwick! i feel more change is to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Personally i would have dropped the No1, this would have left Eastbourne with 5,67 for a final rider; Luke Chessell has a 5.62 average and would have fitted in nicely. 1. Danny Warwick 2. Luke Chessell 3. Marc Owen 4. Wilson- Dean 5. Brendan Jonhson 6. Georgie Wood 7. Kelsey Dugard There would be more improvement in that Team than the Team they have announced. Edited January 31, 2015 by greyhoundp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Very harsh on the ultra keen and well turned out Brendan Johnson but the facts are hes a NL journeyman whos not going to ever get good enough to go any higher and a potentially exciting, new rider from New Zealand will be more of a draw with more potential to get better! That said like others have said, Danny Warwick would have been a better suited rider to drop cause hes a lot older than Johnson, been riding for years longer never going beyond 3rd tier level, will likely struggle to adapt to the tight confines of Arlington and probably won't be as committed! Edited February 1, 2015 by 25yearfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 According to his website, Brendan Johnson is 22 and has ridden NL speedway for 8 seasons (albeit punctuated by serious injury). Last year, he averaged just over 6.00, so its not unreasonable to say that he is becoming (if he is not already) an NL journeyman. Has this reply got any relevance to my point that Eastbourne have acted disgracefully by welching on an agreement with a young British rider who has already got equipment and sponsors ready for the season, and kicked him out in favour of a foreigner? Foreigners shouldn't be racing in the NL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukasdrymllukas Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Because the lad is getting himself sorted for new season, will have sorted sponsors etc Happy he has a team and then all of a sudden nothing. No rider will want to ride for Eastbourne if they treat riders like that. Don't confirm your team and then change it right on eve of season, once declared that should be it ! The eve of the season in January ?! When's Christmas Eve in your house ? The day after Guy Fawkes night ?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 When SCB asked if Brendan was actually one of the most liked speedway riders, I think you only need to look at his tow witter or Facebook today to see that he is. He hasn't got to be "liked" to see that whats happened is harsh, in fact it's totally unfair on the poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Lets be fair Johnson is pretty crap, been around years and no real improvement. Seems to have an ego the size of a house, too. Wilson-Dean looks like he might have a future and will be a good signing. Wonder how many of those complaining are also crying about the Aussies having VISAs blocked? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Lets be fair Johnson is pretty crap, been around years and no real improvement. Seems to have an ego the size of a house, too. Wilson-Dean looks like he might have a future and will be a good signing. Wonder how many of those complaining are also crying about the Aussies having VISAs blocked? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Lets be fair Johnson is pretty crap, been around years and no real improvement. Seems to have an ego the size of a house, too. Wilson-Dean looks like he might have a future and will be a good signing. Wonder how many of those complaining are also crying about the Aussies having VISAs blocked? Bit harsh with your words Clouting although the points you make are spot on! Yes Johnson is a NL journeyman whose not going to progress beyond the 3rd tier, but hes still rode speedway at a level that most keyboard warriors haven't got anywhere near too and he nearly lost his life racing speedway a few years ago! Eastbourne have been very harsh with the boy and like others have said Warwick would have probably been a better bet to drop. But I'm not surprised cause the Dugards aren't renowned for their subtlety much like yourself on this forum! I suspect the ultra keen Johnson will fill one of the spots in Rye Houses NL team. I will chuckle if he scores well against the Eagles! Edited February 1, 2015 by 25yearfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ceglio Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnFz6HBp3pA if this is the guy who is coming to England then ill be happy to make my way to Eastbourne to watch him. We all moan about the way speedway is run, Whats right or Wrong but if Eastbourne did not run we all moan, Ok Brendon has not been treated well but that’s the way speedway goes, I don’t agree with the way it was all done but I am more than happy to see a new face in speedway and an exciting rider, All we need now is sun to shine and let the season begin. As its only on the Eve of the season (Safrican american) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 The eve of the season in January ?! When's Christmas Eve in your house ? The day after Guy Fawkes night ?! That made me laugh! Has this reply got any relevance to my point that Eastbourne have acted disgracefully by welching on an agreement with a young British rider who has already got equipment and sponsors ready for the season, and kicked him out in favour of a foreigner? Foreigners shouldn't be racing in the NL. Like has been said Johnson isn't going to go any further than NL. New Zealand isn't exactly foreign like Sweden. and he may have English parents. The new lad is much more likely to make his name than Johnson because he has past his prime and woulld have moved up by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 That made me laugh! New Zealand isn't exactly foreign like Sweden. No, it's more foreign. New Zealanders need visas, Swedes don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Lets be fair Johnson is pretty crap, been around years and no real improvement. Seems to have an ego the size of a house, too. Wilson-Dean looks like he might have a future and will be a good signing. Wonder how many of those complaining are also crying about the Aussies having VISAs blocked? Get on a bike yourself and show Johnson how it should be done then! No, it's more foreign. New Zealanders need visas, Swedes don't. Sweden is in the EU - free movement of workers between members. New Zealand are not members of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Has this reply got any relevance to my point that Eastbourne have acted disgracefully by welching on an agreement with a young British rider who has already got equipment and sponsors ready for the season, and kicked him out in favour of a foreigner? Foreigners shouldn't be racing in the NL. Apparently Johnson knew all along that his agreement was not a concrete one. Furthermore Wilson-Dean has patriality so, at least as far as speedway rules go, he isn't a foreigner. I think 25YF above is correct in his suggestion that Johnson is a journeyman who probably won't go beyond NL speedway. Some, indeed, would question his right to ride in a league that is about development. The point you are missing - which I have already made on this thread and many times before - is that the NL isn't just a training league. For the stand alone clubs at least, its a business that requires an attractive product to bring in paying customers. One person on here has already said that they are more likely to go given the switch - how many others might feel the same way ? Lets be fair Johnson is pretty crap, been around years and no real improvement. Seems to have an ego the size of a house, too. Not in my experience. I thought he was very likeable indeed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Johnson is a nice guy but has been replaced by a better rider by the looks of things, Also media and twitter has done Johnson far more justice then he is worth. Maybe a harsh lesson to all that race speeway and support speedway that things change at the turn of a wheel. But from what i can see that someone had to go because of a mistake by the Eastbourne management team, A 3 point rider turns out to be a 5 point rider, Johnson i think has done his time maybe after 8 seasons he might take up something else like reporting on speedway or a media manager for a superstar as he has the twitter bug and boy can he push out that media even if its the same old thing. The Season seems to have started with what Mr Michael Ceglio has put up on this page has it just shows us that johnson would not have done that, I think i heard them say that was james sargent in the race who came 3rd. Anyway i am looking forward as well to the new Season and a bit of a choice who do i go to watch, Kent OR Eastbourne? At the moment in time its Eastbourne with still 2 offical riders to name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) No, it's more foreign. New Zealanders need visas, Swedes don't. yes but they speak English. I believe the rider has british Ancestors if thats the right word read halifaxtiger Edited February 3, 2015 by Alex2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Re Brendan Johnson: The tragedy of modern speedway where no matter how good you may be, you lose a place in a side to a lower scoring rider because of the STUPID equalisation points doctrine for clubs. Modern Speedway ? Why do think Ivan Mauger went to Exeter in 1973 ? It was, in those days, called rider control. Its been around for 40 years so I thought everyone would have got used to it - even if they don't like it - by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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