foreverblue Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 The fact he didnt ride for his own team last night maybe? Yes but i read it was only bruising and stiffness(don't know where!!) so no reason why after a few days off he wouldn't be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Well they go on like Robert is a future World champ and a future GP rider when its far from the truth Why is it far from the truth? He is an acknowledged talent from an early age, he was beating way better riders in Germany before he was 16 and has already beaten good riders this season. What he actually achieves is down to the lad himself. If he continues the way he has done in his career so far (putting his OWN needs first) shows he has the commitment to go far in the sport. Time will tell if he ever delivers on that, but my money is on him being GB no2 within 2-3 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) The daftest thing about all this is that the praise Robert received on Monday evening was for team riding an FTR home in front of a rider who was five rides away from the GP, on a wet track, which at 16 years old was a quite brilliant ride. Then all of a sudden we get all this nonsense about who he did and didn't beat and the idea that he is overrated. I think the criticism he has received this year has been quite balanced......when he has been poor and struggled to gate people have said so and when he has scored well, beaten good riders and clocked fast times away from home he has been praised. He has all the raw materials to be a top rider but it takes other qualities too as and hopefully over the next few years he'll fulfill his potential. Edited October 3, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Because Robert hasn't lit any fireworks in my opinion. 1 good ride a meeting and that's all I have seen. Robert could do you never know. I have said that Robert is a good rider many times but I just don't think Robert is as good as some say he is. Anyone would have to be blind to not see when he is good (the team riding on Monday was sublime and way beyond his years) he is a special talent. If his ride on Monday didn't light any fireworks then i don't know what will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I had expected better things from Robert Lambert this year, and when thinking of the protected race format, I was expecting him to set the world alight. The fact he's only 16 is irrelevant when considering his experienced he has gained so far. I was wrong comparing him with Michael Lee, rightly or wrongly the comparison was of the highest compliment and not meant as a weight to shoulder. I still believe that Robert at 15 was far superior than Michael was at that age and would follow in that stars footsteps. Seeing Robert score a 21 pt Max last year and recording times round the NA of 58 sec I thought he was the real deal, a World Champion of the future. but unfortunately 2014 has not been as good. At each meeting he will exceed expectation to record a brilliant win, but also, he repeatingly misses the gate and trail in last. Unfortunately his last places outnumber the victories. Bearing in mind Robert had no previous scores to readdress, I thought his CMA this year would sore, When considering the other teams and their 2nd strings, many have benefitted from the protected format and improved considerably.. I'm not going to apologise for thinking he was that good. But after this year, I believe he will progress in his own time. Of cause the boy has talent, Of cause the boy is good. But It'll be a long time before I compare him again with the likes of Michael Lee. ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Having just watched this meeting, I can see KL winning at Poole quite easily as King or Cook at No.1 at Poole will be a big minus, add in the fact Pawlicki has been tripe since about May and Poole have struggled at home against KL in both league matches with Holder and Ward riding at No.1......... It doesn't look good IMHO....Plus having no Milik will also prove very costly. Edited October 4, 2014 by scottyfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having just watched this meeting, I can see KL winning at Poole quite easily as King or Cook at No.1 at Poole will be a big minus, add in the fact Pawlicki has been tripe since about May and Poole have struggled at home against KL in both league matches with Holder and Ward riding at No.1......... It doesn't look goom IMHO....Plus having no Milik will also prove very costly. Well that's Poole through then You really need to go to happy classes! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I had expected better things from Robert Lambert this year, and when thinking of the protected race format, I was expecting him to set the world alight. The fact he's only 16 is irrelevant when considering his experienced he has gained so far. I was wrong comparing him with Michael Lee, rightly or wrongly the comparison was of the highest compliment and not meant as a weight to shoulder. I still believe that Robert at 15 was far superior than Michael was at that age and would follow in that stars footsteps. Seeing Robert score a 21 pt Max last year and recording times round the NA of 58 sec I thought he was the real deal, a World Champion of the future. but unfortunately 2014 has not been as good. At each meeting he will exceed expectation to record a brilliant win, but also, he repeatingly misses the gate and trail in last. Unfortunately his last places outnumber the victories. Bearing in mind Robert had no previous scores to readdress, I thought his CMA this year would sore, When considering the other teams and their 2nd strings, many have benefitted from the protected format and improved considerably.. I'm not going to apologise for thinking he was that good. But after this year, I believe he will progress in his own time. Of cause the boy has talent, Of cause the boy is good. But It'll be a long time before I compare him again with the likes of Michael Lee. ....... Just had a look at second string averages from start of the year to their current ones.Missed out Birmingham ones and the riders that no longer ride EL plus North because I went back to access the averages again to find his and couldn't get them. Anyway the only rider out of 11 to improve his average more than Lambert is indeed Porsing. Milik came in with the identical improvement but did spend a bit of time as a heatleader I believe. So indeed only 4 riders averages have soared by over 2 points that's Toft,Porsing,Lambert and Milik.But I am sure North has aswell. Only people like you and Gater1 were expecting him to attain a 6.5-7 or more average. And yes I watched him last year storm to a 21 pointer and watched his home matches.But I also realised it was NL and it was such a step up to make.And I was happy for him just to improve his average as he did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having just watched this meeting, I can see KL winning at Poole quite easily as King or Cook at No.1 at Poole will be a big minus, add in the fact Pawlicki has been tripe since about May and Poole have struggled at home against KL in both league matches with Holder and Ward riding at No.1......... It doesn't look goom IMHO....Plus having no Milik will also prove very costly. Oh dear oh dear, you do have a problem dont you, have you run out of valium again. Kings lynn beat us with a full in form team, Pawlicki will be fine, rode ok at kings lynn just couldnt gate which was very important monday, kennett has ridden very well at poole this season, cook rode well monday and king has ridden well at poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Nah I like Scottyfan's thoughts so much more than yours :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Porsing and Lambert have both stuck a couple of points on their averages this year, very rarely have they been 'carried', although their inexperience had shown occasionally. We lost to Poole last week because Nicholls could only manage six and Newman bossed Kerr. Winning on Monday is improbable but not impossible...... Bjerre & Schlein need to hit double figures and the second strings need to make sure they beat Newman in heats 4, 12 & 14. If they and Nicholls can score half a dozen each and the reserves eight between them that's 46. Mustn't go there and roll over. Edited October 4, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Just had a look at second string averages from start of the year to their current ones.Missed out Birmingham ones and the riders that no longer ride EL plus North because I went back to access the averages again to find his and couldn't get them. Anyway the only rider out of 11 to improve his average more than Lambert is indeed Porsing. Milik came in with the identical improvement but did spend a bit of time as a heatleader I believe. So indeed only 4 riders averages have soared by over 2 points that's Toft,Porsing,Lambert and Milik.But I am sure North has aswell. Only people like you and Gater1 were expecting him to attain a 6.5-7 or more average. And yes I watched him last year storm to a 21 pointer and watched his home matches.But I also realised it was NL and it was such a step up to make.And I was happy for him just to improve his average as he did. Your interpretation of Lambert form to me is strange. You say his improvement has soared by over two points, but his average at the start of the season was accessed and not a true reflection of his ability. When looking at the GSA for October, I noticed Lambert is now one of the weakest 2nd strings in the league. When you look at all the other teams in the Play-offs their 2nd strings are much stronger than ours. Sentiment is all very well, but If you asked the Lynn Promotions, or the team Manager, even Lambert himself, they will not be satisfied with them statistics. I have no doubt Lambert will be an exceptional rider in the years to come. He has a long way to go, and you kidding yourself about how good he is doesn't do anybody any good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Nah I like Scottyfan's thoughts so much more than yours :-)Thought you might!! The only worry for me is wright who has had good meetings for poole but newman is not bad at poole too so should be some good races between them, schlein goes well at poole as does schlein but overall I cant see us losing unless we get complacent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Thought you might!! The only worry for me is wright who has had good meetings for poole but newman is not bad at poole too so should be some good races between them, schlein goes well at poole as does schlein but overall I cant see us losing unless we get complacent The brothers Schlein !! could destroy Poole on there own 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Your interpretation of Lambert form to me is strange. You say his improvement has soared by over two points, but his average at the start of the season was accessed and not a true reflection of his ability. When looking at the GSA for October, I noticed Lambert is now one of the weakest 2nd strings in the league. When you look at all the other teams in the Play-offs their 2nd strings are much stronger than ours. Sentiment is all very well, but If you asked the Lynn Promotions, or the team Manager, even Lambert himself, they will not be satisfied with them statistics. I have no doubt Lambert will be an exceptional rider in the years to come. He has a long way to go, and you kidding yourself about how good he is doesn't do anybody any good. And where have I said how good he is and where he will be.All I have said is I think he has achieved to the standard of what I think. You are the one thinking he is underachieving as you set your expectations of him so high.You thought he would be the next M.Lee and future world champion not me. And I think the promotion and Rob will be quite happy with him,they know the step up from the NL to the EL. And I agree with you in that I think he will be good in years to come,but not for one moment did I think he will hit the ground running in the EL as you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Well one thing I think we can all agree on about Robert Lambert - he is NOT a gating tart!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I have to say that, despite his average going well up this year, Porsing looked pants on his home track. I think the increase is more down to the heat formats than actual improvement - at least on Monday's showing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) I think that's a little harsh, he had a poor first ride, two decent ones and was battling for a paid win in his other but went too wide in the deep wet stuff. Probably not the best evening to judge people when gating was paramount. Its amazing how people's expectations vary re Lambert.....some people in March didn't expect him to score a point while others though he would emulate Mike Lee. In reality he has achieved something between the two and I don't think too many people will be disappointed with what he has scored. Very important that he builds on it next year though. Edited October 4, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 The brothers Schlein !! could destroy Poole on there own Yes thankfully there is only one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 At the end of the day as I have said 1 good ride. Robert done nothing in the other 3 and only scored his other points in a 2 rider race. At the end of the day Lynn lost because they had to carry Porsing and Lambert again. Bit like Zmarzlik the other week only scoring 3 points in a Polish match, ooops not meant to be comparing the two. Lynn lost because they have had crippling injuries and have rarely had to carry either rider all season. They are way more exposed when you have a sub standard guest for Iversen and a lot more pressure is put on them both. Lynn were bang out of form a few weeks before the play offs (and before Niels injury) . Both youngsters will be exposed now and unfairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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