SCB Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 It sounds like Ty was issued a new visa under the 4 point elite league rule before the problem started and therefore it was only suspended where as the doubts over Taylor's fitness meant no visa was applied for therefore he had not got a valid visa before the problems with UKVI That makes some sense tbf. But if we're using the old criteria and not the new one, it leads me to question how Manzares has a permit. You can't have it both ways. Once again, speedway, consistency and transparency being shown up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Manzares gets in under the, won a championship in the last two years "Allegedly" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Manzares gets in under the, won a championship in the last two years "Allegedly" But thats the new rules. If we use the new rules Manzares gets in but not Proctor. If we use the old rules Proctor gets in but not Manzares. Just typical of the utter confusion that the powers that be like to run the sport with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Agreed, total confusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 That makes some sense tbf. But if we're using the old criteria and not the new one, it leads me to question how Manzares has a permit. You can't have it both ways. Once again, speedway, consistency and transparency being shown up! its not certain that Gino even has a NEW visa.The press release from Ipswich simply stated that UKVI had confirmed he was OK to start the season. This was just 6 days after the return of the clubs sponsor licence so insufficient time for a new visa IMO from my understanding of the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 So you're saying Proctor qualified using the old criteria which we've been told by the BSPA is no longer valid?If you read Alex Harkness statement in this weeke SS things might be clearer.You seem to be making assumptions on things you don't know about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 If you read Alex Harkness statement in this weeke SS things might be clearer.You seem to be making assumptions on things you don't know about.You have hit the nail firmly on the head najjer specializes ot it I think its a zummerset thing:-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 If you read Alex Harkness statement in this weeke SS things might be clearer.You seem to be making assumptions on things you don't know about. So what are those comments for those of us who don't read the Star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 If you read Alex Harkness statement in this weeke SS things might be clearer.You seem to be making assumptions on things you don't know about. He's done that all winter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 So what are those comments for those of us who don't read the Star?"A lot of the riders visas hadn't expired.Most of them had one that was perfectly legal and still running,so these people are in the country and ready to ride.the ones waiting are riders whose visas had expired,or had not been here last year.To enter the EL or PL riders must have finished in the top 4 in BSPA recognised national or state championship within 2 years of endorsement request.To remain in the UK and gain a fresh visa,riders must have achieved a7.00PL or 6.25 EL average at the time of their application,or have reached the top4 of National Championship within the previous 2years" .Taken from SS . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Main point was that allot of the riders had visas that had not run out and were already in the country and eligible to ride. Probably explains why Ty and also manzares are ok. So as I read it when their visas run out they need to comply with this years / or next years qualification requirements when ever they run out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 If you read Alex Harkness statement in this weeke SS things might be clearer.You seem to be making assumptions on things you don't know about. So are you telling me that Ty Proctor who would of had a visa with Wolverhampton as his previous sponsor, doesn't now require a new visa seen as he has switched clubs? You have hit the nail firmly on the head najjer specializes ot it I think its a zummerset thing:-o Right on cue, with no actual substance to add to the topic in question as per normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 What we don't know is when did Ty get his new visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 So are you telling me that Ty Proctor who would of had a visa with Wolverhampton as his previous sponsor, doesn't now require a new visa seen as he has switched clubs? Loans and Transfers 1. Tier 2 Migrants may only be initially employed by their Licenced Sponsor, however, if the Tier 2 Migrant is no longer included in his Licenced Sponsors 1-7 he may be loaned to another club for inclusion in another 1-7 so long as he is still under contract with his Licenced Sponsor. The Licenced Sponsor must maintain direction, control and the appropriate records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 What we don't know is when did Ty get his new visa. does it matter when? he is here and raring to ride, lets make the most of having him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Loans and Transfers 1. Tier 2 Migrants may only be initially employed by their Licenced Sponsor, however, if the Tier 2 Migrant is no longer included in his Licenced Sponsors 1-7 he may be loaned to another club for inclusion in another 1-7 so long as he is still under contract with his Licenced Sponsor. The Licenced Sponsor must maintain direction, control and the appropriate records. Fair enough. Makes you wonder though as he was supposedly practicing illegally the other week, according to reports. Edited March 15, 2015 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 So are you telling me that Ty Proctor who would of had a visa with Wolverhampton as his previous sponsor, doesn't now require a new visa seen as he has switched clubs? Right on cue, with no actual substance to add to the topic in question as per normal. Iam not telling you anything,you are thinking that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Iam not telling you anything,you are thinking that. So if as they are saying people have resumed on their previous visas, why wasn't Batchelor and Campton able to? Campton had a multi year visa so we are told yet as he had to reapply got told 'no' - so why are others who don't qualify being told yes? Edited March 16, 2015 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 so why are others who don't qualify being told yes? It would appear that they do qualify under the new stricter relaxed rules! Filed away in the "Couldn't make it up" drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 "A lot of the riders visas hadn't expired.Most of them had one that was perfectly legal and still running,so these people are in the country and ready to ride.the ones waiting are riders whose visas had expired,or had not been here last year.To enter the EL or PL riders must have finished in the top 4 in BSPA recognised national or state championship within 2 years of endorsement request.To remain in the UK and gain a fresh visa,riders must have achieved a7.00PL or 6.25 EL average at the time of their application,or have reached the top4 of National Championship within the previous 2years" .Taken from SS . Thanks - again, makes some sense and probably explains Ty Proctors situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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