Byker Biker Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 If an Aussie does a ride and slide day I don't think he'll be taking back what he's learnt for his day job. But a speedway rider riding a speedway track in practice could be training for his work and learning new skills. When Wayne Rooney turns up at the Man united training ground, is he in work? Or is he relaxing in his spare time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Training sessions: 22.5 All participants must be SCB Registered, (a One-Event Training Registration for British domiciled Nationals only is permitted; a copy of which must be attached to the Training Session Signing-On Form that is posted to the SCB within 48 hours. The Parent / Guardian of a Youth Rider must countersign all documents where appropriate. Would an Australian who has not got a work permit be SCB Registered? As Tsunami has been urging, let's drop this one (although it looks as though the SCB would have learned about Ty Proctor riding at Scunny within 48 hours, anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Compton could probably do a job but anyone who is suggesting Hall or Wilson and their awful away form obviously has no interest in Sheffield winning anything this season. Can't see it being Compton not been on a bike for 6 months and no sightings of him practicing either so can't see him riding again myself really . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Now let's think, who beat Steady round Sheffield by a straight, after telling the Promotion he would do it, then scored 17 at Worky guesting, beat Hancock and Harris in a GP, and wanted to ride for Sheffield On a false average, as he didn't want to ride for his old Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Now let's think, who beat Steady round Sheffield by a straight, after telling the Promotion he would do it, then scored 17 at Worky guesting, beat Hancock and Harris in a GP, and wanted to ride for Sheffield On a false average, as he didn't want to ride for his old Club. You're getting a bit desperate now, Jason. Still no offers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) If an Aussie does a ride and slide day I don't think he'll be taking back what he's learnt for his day job. But a speedway rider riding a speedway track in practice could be training for his work and learning new skills. When Wayne Rooney turns up at the Man united training ground, is he in work? Or is he relaxing in his spare time? Thought professional speedway riders were paid appearance money and for points scored. If so who'd be paying him during that private practice session, where there was no paying public to watch that appearance and how many points did he score that he was paid for? See this for what it was, a spin on a mates bike, for goodness sake talk about pedantic! Edited February 26, 2015 by Steve55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) he could get his racing licence revoked or banned ,like darcy. at the end of the day , he was on a track registered by the bspa to run meeting and other events, including practice sessions etc. a signing on form and practice fees may be involved. that puts scunny in a difficult position. should have had a word with Richard Lawson and had a go on his track out allonby way . but hey ., no fuss no medics . just come and ride. if you crash its your fault... cookie done it a few weeks ago.way. no fees. no insurance BUT HEY, NOT ON A BSPA SPEEDWAY TRACK. Edited February 26, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 he could get his racing licence revoked or banned ,like darcy. at the end of the day , he was on a track registered by the bspa to run meeting and other events, including practice sessions etc. a signing on form and practice fees may be involved. that puts scunny in a difficult position.How can you liken this situation with what Darcy Ward did? Any way if you're going to get all legal about it where's the hard evidence? Just sounds like hearsay to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hard evidence steve? about him riding round scunny?.... i was there on centre green with a red flag, sissis, bates , jorgensen and proctor there for open practise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Thought professional speedway riders were paid appearance money and for points scored. If so who'd be paying him during that private practice session, where there was no paying public to watch that appearance and how many points did he score that he was paid for? See this for what it was, a spin on a mates bike, for goodness sake talk about pedantic! Do you mean like the UKVI were with previous after meeting rides that started this whole situation. Best talk about safer subjects, and you not being so pedantic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Thought professional speedway riders were paid appearance money and for points scored. If so who'd be paying him during that private practice session, where there was no paying public to watch that appearance and how many points did he score that he was paid for? See this for what it was, a spin on a mates bike, for goodness sake talk about pedantic! Tell you what. Don't be pedantic. Do as you like. I don't think the UKVI will be quite so nice next time. It's not me you have to have on side, my opinion counts for little (but hey, maybe if my views on this subject had been listened to a few tears back and one EL promoter had not called me "know all fan who knew nothing" [which is ironic]) its what the UKVI think and having given the sport one chance I'd not be risking them wanting to take another. So by all means, Ty Proctor can do what the hell he likes. It'll be funny to hear him moan when he's being kicked out the country. BTW, his did his legal action against Somerset go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Do you mean like the UKVI were with previous after meeting rides that started this whole situation. Best talk about safer subjects, and you not being so pedantic.This wasn't an after meeting ride - it was a PRIVATE practice session paid for by the riders or whoever for them. Proctor (on somebody else's equipment) wasn't earning anything or performing for anyone. Think there's a big difference there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 This wasn't an after meeting ride - it was a PRIVATE practice session paid for by the riders or whoever for them. Proctor (on somebody else's equipment) wasn't earning anything or performing for anyone. Think there's a big difference there. Leave it mate. Hornet's nest if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Tell you what. Don't be pedantic. Do as you like. I don't think the UKVI will be quite so nice next time. It's not me you have to have on side, my opinion counts for little (but hey, maybe if my views on this subject had been listened to a few tears back and one EL promoter had not called me "know all fan who knew nothing" [which is ironic]) its what the UKVI think and having given the sport one chance I'd not be risking them wanting to take another. So by all means, Ty Proctor can do what the hell he likes. It'll be funny to hear him moan when he's being kicked out the country. BTW, his did his legal action against Somerset go? Like the rest of us on here your opinion doesn't count for much in the great scheme of things and with the number of posts you've authored I can see why someone putting their own money into the sport might have taken umbrage with you when you'd caused them a few 'tears'. I think the UKVI have been concerned with the quality of the non-EU riders being employed here over the last few years (at least) and the fact that quite a few haven't met the set criteria. Don't think they'll have their spies out at all the practice sessions making sure that no one without a current work visa is having a 'baz round' round on a mates bike! However if they kick him out of the country for it I'll bow to your superior knowledge. As for any legal action against Somerset I know nothing about. Bet you'd have been peeved if someone offered you a job with a decent wage and then changed their mind a few weeks before you started. I would have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Leave it mate. Hornet's nest if you don't.Know what you mean, but it's a bit late now what with Scunthorpe's answer to Bertie Smalls (aka Neckbrace Tony) blabbing! Bet Proctors name isn't on that form that has to go to the SCB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Blabbing??? it was an open practice, nothing underhand about it, he paid money to practise and signed on on an scb form, so by last tuesday they would have know who was there, i was just saying i was there in answer to your question about evidence Edited February 27, 2015 by neck brace tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Cant see how a private practice can be wrong. Presumably currently on a holiday visa as if the full work visa is in place there is no problem anyway. Look at it this way - if a pro surfer comes to the UK on a holiday visa would he be prohibited from catching a few waves down at Newquay just because thats what he does for a living back home? Surely it would just be classed as recreational which is what a holiday is all about. it wasnt a private practice, it was an open pracrtice run regularly by scunny speedway, anyone with a bike and some money can go, maybe our official club photographer should take his pictures of the day off his facebook page, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 it wasnt a private practice, it was an open pracrtice run regularly by scunny speedway, anyone with a bike and some money can go, maybe our official club photographer should take his pictures of the day off his facebook page,the status of the practice was my point - and I dont see how it would be a problem.Calling it a private practice was meant to distinguish it from an organised team practice. It was a private arrangement by individuals at at open to the public facility which is what you confirmed. Had it have been a team organised event I would see the potential problem it could cause. That said what I think doesnt really matter. If it is a problem to UKVI then thats whats important. The sport cant afford to continue to get this wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 the status of the practice was my point - and I dont see how it would be a problem. Calling it a private practice was meant to distinguish it from an organised team practice. It was a private arrangement by individuals at at open to the public facility which is what you confirmed. Had it have been a team organised event I would see the potential problem it could cause. That said what I think doesnt really matter. If it is a problem to UKVI then thats whats important. The sport cant afford to continue to get this wrong. Which is exactly why the UKVI entered the issue last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 sorry if i got the wrong meaning bruv, i thought you meant a behind closed doors practice, also im not arguing if it was right or wrong for him to ride, thats his buisness, i just wanted to give an answer to a post,bit confused by being called a "supergrass" though, i never brought the subject up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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