Najjer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 workington are having to redeclare their team because campton n wethers have been refused entry visas ... how does that leave poole n proctor ??? Proctor is okay due to his EL average he gained last year for Wolves. Poole on the other hand, isn't okay and has failed to meet the criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Proctor is okay due to his EL average he gained last year for Wolves. Poole on the other hand, isn't okay and has failed to meet the criteria. But in the past, when a rider failed to make his assessed average it was increased back up if they qualified by other means - the argument being if they were good enough to finish top 4 of a state final they were good enough for a 7 point average. It's only since Chris Kerr that this rule was ignored. Davey Watt and Scott Smith both had averaged reset to 7 (from 6.5) when changing teams circa '02 - '03 and I'm sure there will have been others that I just can't think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Proctor is okay due to his EL average he gained last year for Wolves. Poole on the other hand, isn't okay and has failed to meet the criteria. Care to share a link to an Official Statement for Poole😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Care to share a link to an Official Statement for Poole http://speedwaygb.co/gbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://speedwaygb.co/gbe The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationals to be employed in British Speedway in 2009 : No exceptions or extensions will be granted to riders failing to achieve the averages except in the case of injury, medical evidence of which must be supplied. SCB, just asking, but is the link to 2009 rules or 2015. Also I would think Taylor could be assessed under the injury clause. I'm unaware of any official Sheffield statement on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) requirements for non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationals to be employed in British Speedway in 2009 : No exceptions or extensions will be granted to riders failing to achieve the averages except in the case of injury, medical evidence of which must be supplied. SCB, just asking, but is the link to 2009 rules or 2015. Also I would think Taylor could be assessed under the injury clause. I'm unaware of any official Sheffield statement on the matter. there hasn't been one, meaning the door isn't closed on poole - otherwise they'd have announced a team change as workington have done tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 there hasn't been one, meaning the door isn't closed on poole - otherwise they'd have announced a team change as workington have done tonight I know mate , just trying to highlight that what was posted before was speculation and not fact. Thanks for your acurate reply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If As what appears to be what has been stated on here that we will be without Taylor Poole, I would think the club will probably bring in Andre Compton as a replacement for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If As what appears to be what has been stated on here that we will be without Taylor Poole, I would think the club will probably bring in Andre Compton as a replacement for him. that would appear to be the most logical move should taylor not appear on these shores this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doners1234 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I noticed this at the end of the official statment on the SGB about visas.... No exceptions or extensions will be granted to riders failing to achieve the averages except in the case of injury, medical evidence of which must be supplied. This will probably save Poole and Proctor so i should imagine Sheffield will be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 But it didnt save campton after all he "possibly" would of been top four in his state championship, just as they "possibly" may have attained seven point average if not for injury, in my mind no difference and there should be no give and take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I agree there should be no give and take Brewer, rules are rules. You would have thought that teams would have been informed "officially" all at the same time so that one team had no advantage over others signing replacements. My guess is Worky won't take the risk waiting for an instruction and snapped up the two they want before a bidding war starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 . My guess is Worky won't take the risk waiting for an instruction and snapped up the two they want before a bidding war starts. Very possible, though in the case of Campton its quite clear he was never going to make the criteria needed for a visa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I noticed this at the end of the official statment on the SGB about visas.... This will probably save Poole and Proctor so i should imagine Sheffield will be ok. Proctor qualifies for his work permit by reaching the required average in the EL. Poole average never once reached 7.00 throughout the season and should be told no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Are bonus points taken into account for the rules? I know they aren't for team building, but wondered if they are for visa applications. Don't know what difference it makes to Taylor's average, but it may get him over the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 workington are having to redeclare their team because campton n wethers have been refused entry visas ... how does that leave poole n proctor ??? This is madness. These individuals are international sportsmen originating from a Commonwealth country wishing to come to these shores in furtherance of their profession and to entertain the paying public. They are paying their own way and have contractual arrangements to prove they will be financially self-sufficient. Polish airline Wizz Air has recently announced that it will be operating a twice-weekly service into Robin Hood Airport from the Slovakian city of Kocise to "bus in" a further 400 immigrants on a weekly basis, most of whom will have nowhere to live and no jobs to go to, but will expect to be housed, provided with benefits to support their families and given free medical healthcare. Is it not time the speedway fraternity rose up in protest at this clear discrimination against talented individuals wishing to ply their trade in the UK? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is it not time the speedway fraternity rose up in protest at this clear discrimination against talented individuals wishing to ply their trade in the UK? No, because the ones being refused aren't talented enough to be given preference over British/EU riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 No, because the ones being refused aren't talented enough to be given preference over British/EU riders. Not talented enough? Then why do British promoters want to employ them? If we shut the doors to our antipodean cousins we cut off a rich vein of talent which has maintained British speedway for decades. I would go as far as to say that speedway in the UK would no longer exist were it not for the thrills, excitement and colour that our friends from down under have brought to our shores. The legendary names of Huxley, Van Praag, Moore, Briggs, Mauger, Young and Airey represent an 80-year legacy of speedway racing at its best. Their names have more recently been joined by those of Crump, Parker, Doolan, Holder, Doyle and Lemon. Who's to say the next generation won't include the likes of Ward, Schlein, Fricke, Sedgmen and Masters. If we allow some penpusher in Whitehall to determine who's allowed to grace our speedway tracks and who isn't, then we hand over the future of our great and glorious sport to the dead hand of officialdom. This unwarranted interference in the affairs of speedway stinks, and the face of anyone who calls himself a speedway fan should be red with anger. Can you imagine the furore if Man Utd were told they couldn't sign the likes of Rafael or Di Maria, or Chelsea's Ramires and Luis were sent packing back to Brazil because they "weren't talented enough to be given preference over English players"? The whole situation is ridiculous and laughable, and if speedway stands for it we should all hang our heads in shame. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Not talented enough? Then why do British promoters want to employ them? Good question. I'd ask a promoter if I were you. If we shut the doors to our antipodean cousins we cut off a rich vein of talent which has maintained British speedway for decades. I would go as far as to say that speedway in the UK would no longer exist were it not for the thrills, excitement and colour that our friends from down under have brought to our shores. The legendary names of Huxley, Van Praag, Moore, Briggs, Mauger, Young and Airey represent an 80-year legacy of speedway racing at its best. Their names have more recently been joined by those of Crump, Parker, Doolan, Holder, Doyle and Lemon. Hmm, let me think. Holder or Campton? That's a tricky one. Who's to say the next generation won't include the likes of Ward, Schlein, Fricke, Sedgmen and Masters. If they're good enough they'll get in. If we allow some penpusher in Whitehall to determine who's allowed to grace our speedway tracks and who isn't, then we hand over the future of our great and glorious sport to the dead hand of officialdom. This unwarranted interference in the affairs of speedway stinks, and the face of anyone who calls himself a speedway fan should be red with anger. I'm a speedway fan & I'm happy. The speedway establishment have got so used to playing fast and loose with their own regulations over the years that they seem to have taken it for granted that the laws of the land are fair game for them to ignore. I'm sorry for the riders that will end up without visas, not because they won't get in, but because they've been strung along by people they thought they could trust. Can you imagine the furore if Man Utd were told they couldn't sign the likes of Rafael or Di Maria, or Chelsea's Ramires and Luis were sent packing back to Brazil because they "weren't talented enough to be given preference over English players"? I haven't got a clue what you're on about, but it's great news about Earl Bamber & Nick Tandy isn't it? The whole situation is ridiculous and laughable, and if speedway stands for it we should all hang our heads in shame. True it is ridiculous & laughable but once it's sorted the lunatics can get back to running their own tiny asylum in their own unique style and hopefully they'll get the serious stuff right in future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 this situation gets more ridiculous every day, how come gp stars like hancock, doyle, and holder will be allowed to fly in for the gp, have their 5/6/7 rides, pick up their money, then fly out? an even more valid point is how many unknown young cricketers from Pakistan, india, sri lanka, south Africa, west indies, new Zealand and Australia, will we find in the local leagues this summer, up and down the country in a pro capacity, that are not at the top of their trade either, surely all sports should be treated alike.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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