The White Knight Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 i didnt expect nothing.... And its worse than that lol. The silence from our promotion is deafening though!! Surely they will tell us they arnt happy, they are working to put things right etc etc. our PR is terrible, in fact its abysmal!! Is that because they cant be arsed, they treat us with contempt or just have nothing to say?? Newcastle speedway is such a clique that you have to be in 'the circle' to know anything about us.... Why? Why is it like that?? They knew at the weekend that both Swedes were missing but they put it on the website late last night...the day before the meeting....we know there is no money or magic wand but please have the decency to inform us of the club we love now and again because its like nobody cares!! The whole experience of being a diamonds fan is pretty shabby at the moment sadly both on and off the track.... I realise its not the done thing to be negative and that some think speedway fans should put up and shut up, and be thankfull we have a team regardless and to those i Apologise for speaking my mind with my tin hat on. No tin hat required Arson - or there shouldn't be. As a Supporter who obviously loves the Club and his Speedway you are entitled to your view. You have certainly paid, over the years to earn the right to speak your mind. Parts of your Post are not the views I hold - but some things I agree with. I honestly think that the Promotion are doing their level best to ensure a future at Newcastle. I am not in any 'cliques' but I do honestly believe that. You are right that PR is not very good and could be improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Half term report says worse than expected Mine says exactly what was expected as I said before a wheel was turned. Are people over-looking that we at Newcastle have an in-experienced team? Let's not forget that Lewis Kerr was a 3 point reserve only 3 years ago and, like Ludvig last year, it isn't really his fault he's at number one. Steve W is only a few years into his speedway career. Ludvig is Ludvig and in the grand scheme of things still relatively inexperienced. Lewis Rose only just starting out really, too. Also most are coming back from injuries. Not excuses, really. These are just pointers. Perhaps we should give them a bit of slack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Are people over-looking that we at Newcastle have an in-experienced team? Let's not forget that Lewis Kerr was a 3 point reserve only 3 years ago and, like Ludvig last year, it isn't really his fault he's at number one. Steve W is only a few years into his speedway career. Ludvig is Ludvig and in the grand scheme of things still relatively inexperienced. Lewis Rose only just starting out really, too. Also most are coming back from injuries. Not excuses, really. These are just pointers. Perhaps we should give them a bit of slack. That's the managements fault for putting an inexperienced team together though. Everyone knew we weren't strong enough at the start of the season and so its proved. Although in there defense I think they were hoping Rose would've done what Kerr & Richie had done in previous years but that hasn't happened. And nothing against Kerr because I do like him as a rider but when he's getting 3s & 4s as he has been this season then your not gunna win anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I'm not a Newcastle fan but I read with interest the complaints above, regarding a lack of information coming out of the club. This is a downfall with a lot of speedway teams in my opinion. In this day and age it should be easier than ever to bombard fans with information, press releases and so on. I "follow" a few professional football and rugby teams on Twitter. Granted, these are bigger sports than speedway, but I think that speedway clubs could help themselves by getting the message out there to the public, by facebook, twitter, internet, e-mail, whatever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Are people over-looking that we at Newcastle have an in-experienced team? Let's not forget that Lewis Kerr was a 3 point reserve only 3 years ago and, like Ludvig last year, it isn't really his fault he's at number one. Steve W is only a few years into his speedway career. Ludvig is Ludvig and in the grand scheme of things still relatively inexperienced. Lewis Rose only just starting out really, too. Also most are coming back from injuries. Not excuses, really. These are just pointers. Perhaps we should give them a bit of slack. Steve the point is that the team is just not strong enough experienced or inexperienced. The only way to save Newcastle speedway long term in my opinion; and also getting people to attend is to have a team which is challenging on all fronts - yet we're half way through the season approx and the season is already over. There is only a very small amount of people who will go each week no matter what and that number is increasingly dwindling all the time. You need a competitive team to bring the crowds back and this team isn't and never has been; and if the 'in crowd' don't like that then so be it, but you have a look at the crowd this Sunday and tell me I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Steve the point is that the team is just not strong enough experienced or inexperienced. The only way to save Newcastle speedway long term in my opinion; and also getting people to attend is to have a team which is challenging on all fronts - yet we're half way through the season approx and the season is already over. There is only a very small amount of people who will go each week no matter what and that number is increasingly dwindling all the time. You need a competitive team to bring the crowds back and this team isn't and never has been; and if the 'in crowd' don't like that then so be it, but you have a look at the crowd this Sunday and tell me I'm wrong. I was making the point towards those who have had digs at the riders, rather than making excuses for the team that was put together. On your last point, the big problem is, if you haven't a large budget to begin with, you are very limited to who you can bring in. You can't over-budget, in the hope that it will get the fans back in their droves, as it might not happen, then you are likely to lose speedway at Brough altogether. I know what you are going to say (apologies if you're not, but others may think this way), if they can't put an attractive team together, step aside and let someone else take over, but that is very unlikely to happen (in my opinion), simply because, I reckon, if it was going to happen it would have happened by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I was making the point towards those who have had digs at the riders, rather than making excuses for the team that was put together. On your last point, the big problem is, if you haven't a large budget to begin with, you are very limited to who you can bring in. You can't over-budget, in the hope that it will get the fans back in their droves, as it might not happen, then you are likely to lose speedway at Brough altogether. I know what you are going to say (apologies if you're not, but others may think this way), if they can't put an attractive team together, step aside and let someone else take over, but that is very unlikely to happen (in my opinion), simply because, I reckon, if it was going to happen it would have happened by now. I think, and have thought for some time that Newcastle Speedway is run by a few people who love their Sport. I don't think there are any millionaires at Newcastle, just folk who care passionately about Speedway and who keep it going probably out of their own pockets. They cannot be making a lot of money out of it. I think they should be praised for that not castigated. Without their dedication - there would be no Speedway, that is a simple FACT!!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think, and have thought for some time that Newcastle Speedway is run by a few people who love their Sport. I don't think there are any millionaires at Newcastle, just folk who care passionately about Speedway and who keep it going probably out of their own pockets. They cannot be making a lot of money out of it. I think they should be praised for that not castigated. Without their dedication - there would be no Speedway, that is a simple FACT!!! They aren't making any money out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 They aren't making any money out of it. who is they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 who is they?? The Promoters I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I was making the point towards those who have had digs at the riders, rather than making excuses for the team that was put together. On your last point, the big problem is, if you haven't a large budget to begin with, you are very limited to who you can bring in. You can't over-budget, in the hope that it will get the fans back in their droves, as it might not happen, then you are likely to lose speedway at Brough altogether. I know what you are going to say (apologies if you're not, but others may think this way), if they can't put an attractive team together, step aside and let someone else take over, but that is very unlikely to happen (in my opinion), simply because, I reckon, if it was going to happen it would have happened by now. You're spot on Steve and yes to me it just does not make good business sense to put a team out which never was going to bring the crowds back and in fact has actually turned more people away. Edited June 19, 2015 by acclennell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontrader Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Out of interest, this Sunday is Father's Day. Is anything being promoted to use this as a way to increase the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Out of interest, this Sunday is Father's Day. Is anything being promoted to use this as a way to increase the crowd. a free pint for dad's ??? :-) You're spot on Steve and yes to me it just does not make good business sense to put a team out which never was going to bring the crowds back and in fact has actually turned more people away. just out of interest AC, your obviously not happy with the team, what would've been your team ??? I think the team was build with potential in mind, but unfortunately only 2 members have increased their starting average,,, taking into consideration L Kerr's 'reduction' ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) a free pint for dad's ??? :-) just out of interest AC, your obviously not happy with the team, what would've been your team ??? I think the team was build with potential in mind, but unfortunately only 2 members have increased their starting average,,, taking into consideration L Kerr's 'reduction' ??? Being serious and not having snide jabs as has happened between us lately :-) messers Lindgren, Henry or Rosen would not have been anywhere near my team. I did say Worrall also as he always seemed to struggle in the past around Brough, but he has proved me wrong totally and well done to the lad for doing so. Far too many gambles were taken on riders hopefully improving their averages and it was never going to happen. You need proven heat leaders in a team to challenge otherwise you're always going to struggle especially on away tracks. I did think Kerr and Rose would do better this year also but I was never convinced either that Kerr would develop into a number 1 this year. People can quote money etc. etc. all day but the team was never going to be a success and the crowds also I hear have dropped alarmingly - there is too much competition in Newcastle with other sports and other events to sustain a weak team as the crowds will not come and that includes diehards who have been following the team for years. I'm not trying to be a right martyr here, I can just see speedway not being at Brough much longer and the season already is over in June - not good. Edited June 19, 2015 by acclennell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I guess that come Sunday night the thin veneer of a victory over Plymouth will be 'papering over the cracks' in our team. If that allows them some breathing space to re-group, fully recover from injuries sustained and regain some match form then this team may stay together long enough to put at least some pride back in the Diamonds. If that then translates to feet on the terraces, then belief will return. At least one promoter was on the terraces last week not liking all of the current team, so a change may be in the offing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Being serious and not having snide jabs as has happened between us lately :-) messers Lindgren, Henry or Rosen would not have been anywhere near my team. I did say Worrall also as he always seemed to struggle in the past around Brough, but he has proved me wrong totally and well done to the lad for doing so. Far too many gambles were taken on riders hopefully improving their averages and it was never going to happen. You need proven heat leaders in a team to challenge otherwise you're always going to struggle especially on away tracks. I did think Kerr and Rose would do better this year also but I was never convinced either that Kerr would develop into a number 1 this year. People can quote money etc. etc. all day but the team was never going to be a success and the crowds also I hear have dropped alarmingly - there is too much competition in Newcastle with other sports and other events to sustain a weak team as the crowds will not come and that includes diehards who have been following the team for years. I'm not trying to be a right martyr here, I can just see speedway not being at Brough much longer and the season already is over in June - not good.good post, can't say I agree with everything you say, but a lot of it makes sense,,, it does look as crowds are dropping and, if there's no fans, there's no club,,, would a good team bring crowds back to a sustainable level ???,,, how do you put a 'good' team together without fans bringing money in,,, if riders are failing, should they go, if the management/promotion are failing, should they go and, if they do go do they take the club with them ??? I'm sure there is some good or better idea's out there, but would anybody hear them,,, or is that part of the problem :-) Edited June 20, 2015 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Surely its not that difficult, get the freeloaders who do nothing / very little to pay half / full price depending on what they do = more money = better team = more fans!! Instead they get a poor team and blame it on finances rather than trying to sort other things out! If you add up over a season these people paying something then it soon adds up! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) It's a double edge sword you need to balance finances and the outgoings should in an ideal world be less than the incoming,however in my opinion if you put an attractive team together at the start of the season you have a good chance of attracting the fans back I think it's an uphill struggle to try and do it half way through the season but you need to try and I do think the season and possibly the future is at a crossroads. I think we need to try and salvage this season get the crowds back and build hopefully for next season..one thing for certain and not mentioning individuals this team is not good enough and we need to start winning at home Edited June 20, 2015 by robbieblackadder fan club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrP Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Totally agree with Gaz on the freeloaders,far too many people get in for nothing. There is also a small group of dedicated people who do everything and anything they can to help spread the word and try and encourage new people to come to Brough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Totally agree with Gaz on the freeloaders,far too many people get in for nothing. There is also a small group of dedicated people who do everything and anything they can to help spread the word and try and encourage new people to come to Brough. Totally agree that some get in for 'fresh air' but many more are 'earning' an entry by doing the hands on dirty jobs which allow the sport to continue on Tyneside. Sheaters, flaggers, graders, even marshals are there are a valid reason, not to mention the poor sods who scrape the adverts clean between heats. The whingers who complain about a 'clique' controlling the club would I suppose vent their anger on another sport following our demise. SHAME ON YOU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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