Guest Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Are people really slagging off Harris for being in front of Tai? Perhaps Tai should have ridden better last night to be in front of Harris. Sadly, some are. They feel he should have "given" Tai a much-need point! Not my view. In individual racing it'severy rider for himself. Well done Chris Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Everyone except Tai and 3 others were in front of Chris Harris. He is a good rider, plenty of style and a fighting spirit... but why cant he just do an Hampel and show he would be an asset to next years gp's - I would love him to do that, seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksback Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Just a wasted space...what a shame if he kept out someone like Bartosz Zmarzlik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 and his 4 points could be crucial to keep infront of MJJ. Now that would have been a talking point - if a full time gp rider does all 12 gp's and scores less in total then someone who has only been in 4. Hang on, ..... I said "would have been a talking point", it actually could still be as one more gp to go and MJJ will probably be in it and he is just 4 points behind CH. Now who is likely to score more points at Torun. We wont have long to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well so far he has averaged approx 0.75 points per ride per gp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well so far he has averaged approx 0.75 points per ride per gp. and what does that have to do with anything? All these people putting up names of riders who should be in and not Harris are all wrong. Granted there is no way Harris would have got a wildcard and in my view shouldnt have had one in the last few seasons. But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! There is a qualifiaction that all riders (Kildemand, MJJ and the rest) had every chance to qualify and they FAILED!!! I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. Im sure some people on here want 16 picks rather than any sort of system to qualify 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 and what does that have to do with anything? All these people putting up names of riders who should be in and not Harris are all wrong. Granted there is no way Harris would have got a wildcard and in my view shouldnt have had one in the last few seasons. But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! There is a qualifiaction that all riders (Kildemand, MJJ and the rest) had every chance to qualify and they FAILED!!! I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. Im sure some people on here want 16 picks rather than any sort of system to qualify Toally agree with all you say in this post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 and what does that have to do with anything? All these people putting up names of riders who should be in and not Harris are all wrong. Granted there is no way Harris would have got a wildcard and in my view shouldnt have had one in the last few seasons. But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! There is a qualifiaction that all riders (Kildemand, MJJ and the rest) had every chance to qualify and they FAILED!!! I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. Im sure some people on here want 16 picks rather than any sort of system to qualify Why? It is not against the forum rules. You just have to accept that other forum members does not share your opinion. We have just as big right to express our opinion as your right to express yours. So I can say the same to you, stop with this forum policing thin t is not for you to decide what's allowed to be written on this forum. Harris having a fluke says more about the qualifying process then it says about Harris "merit". Many riders have qualified via the GP-challenge. Many of those have tried but failed to establish themselves as a regular in the GP-series. Most of them have realized when it's time to give up. So should Harris. What is the point in qualifying if you are going to be last in every GP anyway? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I agree with Ghostwalker Your posts sounds like its ok for you to voice your opinion, but not others. If there was only ever one opinion the forum would be very boring and sink like a brick. I am ok with opinions as long as they dont get too personal. The only part of your post I can agree with 100% is "I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 and what does that have to do with anything? All these people putting up names of riders who should be in and not Harris are all wrong. Granted there is no way Harris would have got a wildcard and in my view shouldnt have had one in the last few seasons. But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! There is a qualifiaction that all riders (Kildemand, MJJ and the rest) had every chance to qualify and they FAILED!!! I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying.8 Im sure some people on here want 16 picks rather than any sort of system to qualify don't disagree with this but let's not forget that those in the qualifiers relied on a pick - certainly the brits were selected by BSPA/Rosco, so not all riders had the chance, but I know what you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I agree with Ghostwalker Your posts sounds like its ok for you to voice your opinion, but not others. If there was only ever one opinion the forum would be very boring and sink like a brick. I am ok with opinions as long as they dont get too personal. The only part of your post I can agree with 100% is "I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. sorry do you understand English or can't read! This has nothing to do with opinion! The FACT is he qualified on merit it's not up for an opinion! As I say I think he will struggle next year that is called an OPINION. You can tell me I'm wrong bout an opinion not a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Harris having a fluke says more about the qualifying process then it says about Harris "merit". Exactly. The Harris fanboys are more hurt than the Harris haters over this one. They can't handle the truuuuuth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Quote- But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! Fact and Opinion in one sentance. I dont disagree with the fact "he qualified on merit", BUT I sure not going to listen to your opinion "why dont people just shut the ....up!" I cant dispute the fact but have my own opinion on your opinion So my opinion is that we have to agree to disagree on your opinions but not the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 and what does that have to do with anything? All these people putting up names of riders who should be in and not Harris are all wrong. Granted there is no way Harris would have got a wildcard and in my view shouldnt have had one in the last few seasons. But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! There is a qualifiaction that all riders (Kildemand, MJJ and the rest) had every chance to qualify and they FAILED!!! I believe Harris will be outclassed again next season but dont mock the man for qualifying. Im sure some people on here want 16 picks rather than any sort of system to qualify Yes should be picked, get rid of these quali rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Quote- But he qualified on merit so why dont people just shut the ....up! Fact and Opinion in one sentance. I dont disagree with the fact "he qualified on merit", BUT I sure not going to listen to your opinion "why dont people just shut the ....up!" I cant dispute the fact but have my own opinion on your opinion So my opinion is that we have to agree to disagree on your opinions but not the facts. It's great to see an opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 You missed one out Gustix So my opinion is that we have to agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Yes should be picked, get rid of these quali rounds. Oh dear. And make it a closed shop? What a great idea, so nobody, apart from a select 15 would ever have a chance to win the world championship unless BSI decree that they are commercially viable. The speedway world championship has had a qualification system every year since its inception in 1936 and it should remain, indeed be expanded. And to speedy69 who said that "everyone who does the qualifiers gets a pick", I would say this:- That has always been the case. If you go back to the 70's, never mind the current arrangements, there were a series of qualifying rounds across the UK, Australasia, Scandinavia, the U.S and Europe and every rider that competed had to be selected by their respective national governing body. Nothing has changed, except that there are less qualifying rounds and less riders qualify for the world championship or GP than used to be the case. No rider has a divine right to be in the GP, regardless of their status and/or track record, recent or otherwise, or regardless of any opinion on this forum. They should all qualify on merit and if they cannot do so, they don't deserve their place any more than someone who has done so. What those riders do once there is not relevant. If someone qualifies, they deserve their place and you simply can't question that. Even going back to the old world finals, the qualification system changed in the mid 90's when riders ended up in two semi finals. Many on this forum have suggested that most continentals were no hopers when they qualified, but the truth is, several continental riders made the world final at the expense of others even allowing for the "pooling" the riders in semi finals. I can see why the top 8 get a place for the following year, but anyone else who wants a place in the series should attempt to qualify, rather than rely on a pick, or getting in the top 8. That way, they have more than one option to get a place on merit. Zagar is a great example and why should any rider who has not competed in the qualifiers get special treatment and be offered a wildcard when they can't commit to a qualification attempt? They just want a place handed to them on a plate, but why should they get one? If you stop riders having the chance to qualify, what message does that send out to every rider out there? There should always be a qualification system so riders with that kind of ambition have something to aim for. There will always be misfortune and someone may miss out, but that's part and parcel of the sport, Kenneth Bjerre could argue he has been unlucky - he competed in the GP and attempted to qualify, but injuries have cut him down, but the truth is that happens and always has, but the current wildcard system allows for that too. The balance we have should keep everyone happy. The top men from the previous year, those who have qualified by right and those that perhaps merit a place but haven't reached the series are all catered for. The only thing I would change personally, is four qualifiers, not 3 and the wild card picks must have competed in the qualifying rounds. Edited October 2, 2014 by Dave the Mic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I mostly agree with the above apart from the top eight being automatically selected for the following year. I use the word selected deliberately. Everyone should qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I mostly agree with the above apart from the top eight being automatically selected for the following year. I use the word selected deliberately. Everyone should qualify. They do quailfy by finishing in the top 8 Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 They do quailfy by finishing in the top 8 Niamh I meant - as I think you know - by going through Qualifying Rounds. BSI say that the top eight Qualify for the following year (that isn't qualifying - it is being given a spot - ie: selected) - the Qualifiers should be from the year of the Championship being raced - NOT from the previous Season. So YES - my claim that the top eight are selected is correct. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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