Robinh88 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Will we get 40 at home to Glasgow? It's a serious question Why are we potentially putting out a side that WILL lose at home? so currently we are looking at 1 barker will hold his own but as I've said what happens if we get a 1-5 against us 1st heat? 2. franc or 5 point eqiv franc is on a steal, otherwise tero aarnio 3 allen 7 points could be better spent In a key posistion 4.jorgenson no comment 5. doolan not a number 5 6. Edberg probs will improve 7 and some 3 point programme filler Regression instead of progression Edited December 21, 2014 by GLagutaWorldChampion2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I still can't quite believe the negativity on here. The current promotion have won us the PL Fours, and we have just had a top 4 finish. Massive improvements in other areas, and the intention to keep improving on and off track. In terms of results, we're far from the heady heights of The Capital Monarchs in recent years, but considering it is a wee half-English town we do not bad at all. Rest of the team aside, I am relishing seeing Ben Barker as our No 1. I would like to see Jake Allen in the team, but I guess this is out of the Promotion's hands at the moment. It's impossible to make any predictions with less than half of the team announced, so I am going to continue looking forward to the season, because - after all - there is no point in looking back. It's more being realistic than being negative we have worked wonders off the track agreed but one play off season in six under the current promotion is unacceptable imo and we need to build on the success of last season Yes we've signed Ben Barker but that doesn't get me any more excited about the season I'd rather watch a team of gating tarts win the league than Ben Barker and six also rans and finish near the bottom which is what could happen if we are not careful I want to watch us win I'm a Berwick Bandits fan not someone looking for a fun night out and if we start losing at home and struggling I am going to be an unhappy bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 It's more being realistic than being negative we have worked wonders off the track agreed but one play off season in six under the current promotion is unacceptable imo and we need to build on the success of last season Yes we've signed Ben Barker but that doesn't get me any more excited about the season I'd rather watch a team of gating tarts win the league than Ben Barker and six also rans and finish near the bottom which is what could happen if we are not careful I want to watch us win I'm a Berwick Bandits fan not someone looking for a fun night out and if we start losing at home and struggling I am going to be an unhappy bunny. Perfectly put, Barker is a good signing but as good as he is he needs back up but it seems Barker alone has one fan creaming themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Will we get 40 at home to Glasgow? It's a serious question Why are we potentially putting out a side that WILL lose at home? so currently we are looking at 1 barker 2. franc or 5 point eqiv 3 allen 4.jorgenson 5. doolan 6. Edberg 7 and some 3 point programme filler Barker will be decent but that team is pish We certainly will be very weak at reserve if we have a 7pt rookie Aussie.If the Aussie turns out to be a 10pt man and the 3pt reserve can double his average we might hang on for some Home wins though.Personaly if was going for a 7 pt asset I would be looking at Europe where you can gauge the form better,but that would cost us too much money.Edinburgh have just announced it was another season of losing money so what chance do we have of fielding a strong team,if we lost money on last seasons Team.People are just giving up on the sport I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 It's more being realistic than being negative we have worked wonders off the track agreed but one play off season in six under the current promotion is unacceptable imo and we need to build on the success of last season Yes we've signed Ben Barker but that doesn't get me any more excited about the season I'd rather watch a team of gating tarts win the league than Ben Barker and six also rans and finish near the bottom which is what could happen if we are not careful I want to watch us win I'm a Berwick Bandits fan not someone looking for a fun night out and if we start losing at home and struggling I am going to be an unhappy bunny. I think you have missed the point. We don't know who the other 4 - possibly 5 - riders are going to be. The first three signings are actually a pretty good start. Delusions of grandeur springs to mind if you think a Berwick should be expected to challenge for the title each season, or more frequently than once in 6 seasons. Berwick is rather small compared to the big city teams we compete against. Yet you proclaim to be realistic. I'm with you on one point, I want to change my approach and deportment this season and become a real speedway fan. I want our team to win every meeting, home and away, anything less is unacceptable; preferably winning from the gate. I want to be able to complain about the track every meeting. I want to be able to gloat about low crowds. I want to be able to say that it is just gate and go. I want to be able to think that I could run the club better than the management. I want to really hate the team and the club, yet still spend my money every Saturday (all £20 of it), because that is a really intelligent thing to do. I want to stand on the terraces and greet about averages, rather than have a bit of banter with mates. I want to axe riders after a few bad meetings, form is permanent after all. I want to be able to complain when we get a Sky meeting and put on a good show that is widely acclaimed. I want to be able to complain when we are given the privilege of hosting an FIM meeting. I want to be able to pounce on any opportunity to have a dig at the club. I, Sir, want more than anything, to be a fan like you are. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) I think you have missed the point. We don't know who the other 4 - possibly 5 - riders are going to be. The first three signings are actually a pretty good start. Delusions of grandeur springs to mind if you think a Berwick should be expected to challenge for the title each season, or more frequently than once in 6 seasons. Berwick is rather small compared to the big city teams we compete against. Yet you proclaim to be realistic. I'm with you on one point, I want to change my approach and deportment this season and become a real speedway fan. I want our team to win every meeting, home and away, anything less is unacceptable; preferably winning from the gate. I want to be able to complain about the track every meeting. I want to be able to gloat about low crowds. I want to be able to say that it is just gate and go. I want to be able to think that I could run the club better than the management. I want to really hate the team and the club, yet still spend my money every Saturday (all £20 of it), because that is a really intelligent thing to do. I want to stand on the terraces and greet about averages, rather than have a bit of banter with mates. I want to axe riders after a few bad meetings, form is permanent after all. I want to be able to complain when we get a Sky meeting and put on a good show that is widely acclaimed. I want to be able to complain when we are given the privilege of hosting an FIM meeting. I want to be able to pounce on any opportunity to have a dig at the club. I, Sir, want more than anything, to be a fan like you are. I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure that we get bigger crowds than Edinburgh and Newcastle so what being a big city has to do with it has got me? Would you say Workington are a big city because they seem to be able to put out some very competitive teams year in year out and are in the play off race Are you actually saying what we have achieved over the past six seasons is acceptable on the track that is? As I did say we have achieved wonders off the track and I'm not moaning about that but you must have missed that so you could completely take my post out of proportion I am simply saying it's about time we build on our success and personally I don't think we are looking like doing that You've taken everything I have said and blown it ridiculously out of proportion I am being realistic by saying we can be a play off team every year and I'm not having a dig at everything our promotion does as you seem to think I sir just think we can do better. Edited December 21, 2014 by Hamster00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 We certainly will be very weak at reserve if we have a 7pt rookie Aussie.If the Aussie turns out to be a 10pt man and the 3pt reserve can double his average we might hang on for some Home wins though.Personaly if was going for a 7 pt asset I would be looking at Europe where you can gauge the form better,but that would cost us too much money.Edinburgh have just announced it was another season of losing money so what chance do we have of fielding a strong team,if we lost money on last seasons Team.People are just giving up on the sport I'm afraid. Fair Shout 4 league titles In eleven years they have the secret and a key big pay out on points last season though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I think you have missed the point. We don't know who the other 4 - possibly 5 - riders are going to be. The first three signings are actually a pretty good start. Delusions of grandeur springs to mind if you think a Berwick should be expected to challenge for the title each season, or more frequently than once in 6 seasons. Berwick is rather small compared to the big city teams we compete against. Yet you proclaim to be realistic. I'm with you on one point, I want to change my approach and deportment this season and become a real speedway fan. I want our team to win every meeting, home and away, anything less is unacceptable; preferably winning from the gate. I want to be able to complain about the track every meeting. I want to be able to gloat about low crowds. I want to be able to say that it is just gate and go. I want to be able to think that I could run the club better than the management. I want to really hate the team and the club, yet still spend my money every Saturday (all £20 of it), because that is a really intelligent thing to do. I want to stand on the terraces and greet about averages, rather than have a bit of banter with mates. I want to axe riders after a few bad meetings, form is permanent after all. I want to be able to complain when we get a Sky meeting and put on a good show that is widely acclaimed. I want to be able to complain when we are given the privilege of hosting an FIM meeting. I want to be able to pounce on any opportunity to have a dig at the club. I, Sir, want more than anything, to be a fan like you are. I'll have pint of what your on please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) no they are not 3 good signings you moronin your opinion 5. doolan not a number 5 how about number 4 Or number 3 Perhaps number 2 ? Edited December 21, 2014 by Goodiepatchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure that we get bigger crowds than Edinburgh and Newcastle so what being a big city had to do with it has got me? Would you say Workington are a big city because they seem to be able to put out some very competitive teams year in year out and are in the play off race Are you actually saying what we have achieved over the past six seasons is acceptable on the track that is? As I did say we have achieve wonders off the track and I'm not moaning about that but you must have missed that so you could completely take my post out of proportion I am simply saying it's about time we build on our success and personally I don't think we are looking like doing that You've taken everything I have said and blown it ridiculously out of proportion I am being realistic by saying we can be a play off team every year and I'm not having a dig at everything our promotion do as you seem to think I sir just think we can do better. The fact that we get bigger crowds than Edinburgh and Newcastle suggests that the promotion of the sport is good. I note that you have alluded to that and my previous post was a general observation, rather than directly to yourself. Likewise, certain others are the culprits who seem to revel in taking cheap shots at the Promotion. With regard to Workington, it has double the population of Berwick, furthermore it has Carlisle nearby who - to my knowledge - do not have a speedway team. We have the aforementioned cities to compete with. I think where we are following last season is acceptable, I do also think there have been times during the past 6 years when it has not been acceptable. I do agree with you that last season has given us something to build on. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I strongly believe that the fans need to step up to the mark. Fans are extremely important, that is from the perspective of Promotions and riders. It also means that we should take a certain responsibility. With the sport in a bad way, we need to stop kicking it when it is down (even though it is not the fans fault at all where it has got to in this country). We need to forget the negative aspects, for the time being, and get as much support for our teams as possible. I guess you can say that we are not looking like building on last year, but I would say signing Barker shows a certain intent. Neither of us can logically argue for predictions of where we will finish until we know all 7 riders. Personally, I don't see the point in taking a negative outlook at this point, it just doesn't seem to make any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) The fact that we get bigger crowds than Edinburgh and Newcastle suggests that the promotion of the sport is good. I note that you have alluded to that and my previous post was a general observation, rather than directly to yourself. Likewise, certain others are the culprits who seem to revel in taking cheap shots at the Promotion. With regard to Workington, it has double the population of Berwick, furthermore it has Carlisle nearby who - to my knowledge - do not have a speedway team. We have the aforementioned cities to compete with. I think where we are following last season is acceptable, I do also think there have been times during the past 6 years when it has not been acceptable. I do agree with you that last season has given us something to build on. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I strongly believe that the fans need to step up to the mark. Fans are extremely important, that is from the perspective of Promotions and riders. It also means that we should take a certain responsibility. With the sport in a bad way, we need to stop kicking it when it is down (even though it is not the fans fault at all where it has got to in this country). We need to forget the negative aspects, for the time being, and get as much support for our teams as possible. I guess you can say that we are not looking like building on last year, but I would say signing Barker shows a certain intent. Neither of us can logically argue for predictions of where we will finish until we know all 7 riders. Personally, I don't see the point in taking a negative outlook at this point, it just doesn't seem to make any sense? As I have alluded to a few times we work wonders off the track which is where the promotion as a whole do well I don't think it's a cheap shot to say our on track performances have been poor bar last year I am practically saying as you are it's time to build off the back of a good season and continue to try and be a competitive team capable of making the play offs Where we disagree is on the team I suppose Barker is a good signing but it's the pieces you put around him that make the difference so signing him as good as it is isn't going to make us a play off team I am disappointed with the TJ signing as I don't rate him and I don't see his average going up that my personal opinion Jake Allen was a good idea on a 5 but on a 7 I think it's too much of a risk as results in Australia mean very little really I am just worried that we may not move forward unless they have something up there sleeve but personally I can't see it. Edited December 21, 2014 by Hamster00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 The fact that we get bigger crowds than Edinburgh and Newcastle suggests that the promotion of the sport is good. I note that you have alluded to that and my previous post was a general observation, rather than directly to yourself. Likewise, certain others are the culprits who seem to revel in taking cheap shots at the Promotion. With regard to Workington, it has double the population of Berwick, furthermore it has Carlisle nearby who - to my knowledge - do not have a speedway team. We have the aforementioned cities to compete with. I think where we are following last season is acceptable, I do also think there have been times during the past 6 years when it has not been acceptable. I do agree with you that last season has given us something to build on. As I've mentioned in previous posts, I strongly believe that the fans need to step up to the mark. Fans are extremely important, that is from the perspective of Promotions and riders. It also means that we should take a certain responsibility. With the sport in a bad way, we need to stop kicking it when it is down (even though it is not the fans fault at all where it has got to in this country). We need to forget the negative aspects, for the time being, and get as much support for our teams as possible. I guess you can say that we are not looking like building on last year, but I would say signing Barker shows a certain intent. Neither of us can logically argue for predictions of where we will finish until we know all 7 riders. Personally, I don't see the point in taking a negative outlook at this point, it just doesn't seem to make any sense? if Robin didn't take the negitive stance then we wouldn't know it was him after all the various name changes on here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 What's the point of being on a forum if you don't have an opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 As I have alluded to a few times we work wonders off the track which is where the promotion as a whole do well I don't think it's a cheap shot to say our on track performances have been poor bar last year I am practically saying as you are it's time to build off the back of a good season and continue to try and be a competitive team capable of making the play offs Where we disagree is on the team I suppose Barker is a good signing but it's the pieces you put around him that make the difference so signing him as good as it is isn't going to make us a play off team I am disappointed with the TJ signing as I don't rate him and I don't see his average going up that my personal opinion Jake Allen was a good idea on a 5 but on a 7 I think it's too much of a risk as results in Australia mean very little really I am just worried that we may not move forward unless they have something up there sleeve but personally I can't see it. I guess it is the current and potential signings that we differ on. I'm undecided about TJ, I haven't seen enough of him. Again, it was not yourself I was accusing of cheap shots. Last season is something to build upon, totally agree with you. Let's not go backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 What's the point of being on a forum if you don't have an opinion?we could have a separate debate on wether Scott is a moron or not then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 we could have a separate debate on wether Scott is a moron or not then I probably am a moron, but certainly not deranged like Rab. As an example, who in their right mind would ever be a fan of Kris Boyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 if Robin didn't take the negitive stance then we wouldn't know it was him after all the various name changes on hereRobin is in the same mould as Big Ed just likes a wind-up when he's bored and see who bites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 we could have a separate debate on wether Scott is a moron or not then So which one of doolan allen or jorgenson will be number 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 So which one of doolan allen or jorgenson will be number 5? thats the question who knows maybe none of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 So which one of doolan allen or jorgenson will be number 5?Barker after we sign Laguta 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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