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Going down the No1 route is fine, if you have one and probably two of the best reserves around, that is where they went wrong when putting that kind of team together..

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Plymouth have built there team round Ben Barker on a few occasions and look where it has got them

 

Absolutely nowhere.

Isn't that what I am saying, perhaps less direct

Why not much mention of Vissing? Surely he'd be a no brainier on that average riding at 5 where Barker would take most of the pressure off him... Would've been a decent top two imo

If they didn't kill each other in the pits, no love between those two

a lot of pressure on barker though he will be used to it riding for Plymouth

Remember!, one rider does not make a team

Didn't do Edinburgh any harm

That line up was a bit of a rarity, and well deserved for assembling a team like that. Looks like Glasgow may have achieved something similar, but via a different route, MONEY,MONEY. MONEY

that and injuries doesnt help

Injuries, weather etc. etc. always used as an excuse, it's generally the same for every team. You cannot run a team on IF,IF,IF, it always comes down to management. It's like saying in my shop, what IF I run out of watch batteries, it won't happen as I always make sure I havve enough stock to cover, with back up suppliers, just in case.

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Didn't do Edinburgh any harm

 

Edinburgh build there team based on having a strong reserve and some middle order riders that can improve there average

 

They don't just sign Cookie and go from there

 

He was the 6th rider to put pen to paper for them this year

 

They build from the bottom.

 

 

Isn't that what I am saying, perhaps less direct

 

 

Yeah I was just being a bit more blunt :lol:

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Barkers average isn’t even that excessive for a Number 1. It will take a hell of an argument to convince me that signing him is a bad idea, it is an argument that I haven’t read on here yet.

 

I'm not saying it's a bad idea I just think it's a better idea to build the team differently build it around riders that can improve there average

 

Edinburgh have seemed to build around Wolbert, Sedgmen and the reserves and then fit Cookie in from there rather than sign Cookie and work from there as we have done with Barker

 

Maybe it is just my perception of how they do it.

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Maybe Barker was signed as one of the riders who can improve his average?

 

Do you actually need an excessive gain in average to win the league now, or have a good season? Berwick ended last season 4th, with a team average of 43.16, over the course of the season they didn’t even add a point to their team total.

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Maybe Barker was signed as one of the riders who can improve his average?

 

Do you actually need an excessive gain in average to win the league now, or have a good season? Berwick ended last season 4th, with a team average of 43.16, over the course of the season they didn’t even add a point to their team total.

 

Barker may improve his average slightly but I can't see much improvement

 

I would say Berwick were the best of a bad bunch last season

 

I reckon if you look at the two teams in the play off final there would have been some big improvements there.

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I think most fans in the country would snap your hand of for 4th and being the best of a bad bunch just now if they removed the club specs for a minute!

 

There were massive gains last season but last season was a bit of an exception when you look into it.

 

The Edinburgh model last year is great, one to be admired, and one that every side would like to follow. It is a side that in terms of structure and improvement hasn’t been matched for close to 20 years though!

 

They only lost about 4 competitive meetings all season! of course everyone wants to build a team like that!

 

I think that a few of the improvers were predicted, Fricke being one, he is an excellent talent. Worral going from a 3 to 7.5. I don’t think anyone saw that coming, possibly 5.5 would have been a fair prediction. His progress was always going to come, but that was unexpectedly rapid. Alex Harkess himself admitted that the side was built with the idea of reaching the Play Offs and seeing where things went (and I think that most fans probably predicted the same from that side), if hadn’t been for that absurdly excessive gain from Worral, Edinburgh, while still an excellent side, would have been a lot closer to the rest of the pack.

 

Somerset signed a rider on 5.00 average who could/should have been on a 7.00 average such was his experience. If you sign a rider on an average that is 2 points below his assessed ability, I would expect a gain in team total come the end of the season!

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I think most fans in the country would snap your hand of for 4th and being the best of a bad bunch just now if they removed the club specs for a minute!

 

There were massive gains last season but last season was a bit of an exception when you look into it.

 

The Edinburgh model last year is great, one to be admired, and one that every side would like to follow. It is a side that in terms of structure and improvement hasn’t been matched for close to 20 years though!

 

 

It's not just Edinburgh's model last year they seem to produce teams capable of winning leagues year in year out and most of the time with a similar formula

 

We have just produced a winning formula last season and now we have changed the formula no wonder we can't find consistency from season to season and it's one reason why I fancy us to be well down this season.

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The Edinburgh side of 2013 was different to last year though, they didn’t have overly strong reserves and they started the season with Helfer and ended it with Mitchell Davey!

 

Cook going from 8.50 to over 10.00 was the difference maker then. They added 3.5 to their team total, 2 of which came from Cook and not the reserves.

 

The strategy changed from one season to the next, it depends on rider availability. If a rider like Barker is available on an average below 9.00 it is crazy to turn him down IMO, his average means that the chance is still there to sign strength in depth/improvers.

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Isn't that what I am saying, perhaps less direct

 

If they didn't kill each other in the pits, no love between those two

 

Remember!, one rider does not make a team

 

That line up was a bit of a rarity, and well deserved for assembling a team like that. Looks like Glasgow may have achieved something similar, but via a different route, MONEY,MONEY. MONEY

 

Injuries, weather etc. etc. always used as an excuse, it's generally the same for every team. You cannot run a team on IF,IF,IF, it always comes down to management. It's like saying in my shop, what IF I run out of watch batteries, it won't happen as I always make sure I havve enough stock to cover, with back up suppliers, just in case.

wasnt saying it was an excuse just something that happens always thought a squad system in speedway should be used
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Can't believe people are questioning Ben Barker signing on a 8.91 average bearing in mind in 2013 he scored an 18 point maximum and Paid 12 from 4 guesting for us

Barker generally wins 4 our of his 5 races at Berwick every time.

 

Yet Thomas Jorgenson and Jake Allen come in on 14 points and nine combined

 

Spot the issue here

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Can't believe people are questioning Ben Barker signing on a 8.91 average bearing in mind in 2013 he scored an 18 point maximum and Paid 12 from 4 guesting for us

Barker generally wins 4 our of his 5 races at Berwick every time.

 

Yet Thomas Jorgenson and Jake Allen come in on 14 points and nine combined

 

Spot the issue here

19.5pts for 4 riders?
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Barkers average isn’t even that excessive for a Number 1. It will take a hell of an argument to convince me that signing him is a bad idea, it is an argument that I haven’t read on here yet.

I dont think anyone is arguing that Barker is not a good signing, they are talking about how you structure your line up to be competetive.

 

I'm not saying it's a bad idea I just think it's a better idea to build the team differently build it around riders that can improve there average

 

Edinburgh have seemed to build around Wolbert, Sedgmen and the reserves and then fit Cookie in from there rather than sign Cookie and work from there as we have done with Barker

 

Maybe it is just my perception of how they do it.

Think you are right

wasnt saying it was an excuse just something that happens always thought a squad system in speedway should be used

Love the squad idea, but sadly in a declining sport not enough riders to go around. I dislike doubling up in any form.

Can't believe people are questioning Ben Barker signing on a 8.91 average bearing in mind in 2013 he scored an 18 point maximum and Paid 12 from 4 guesting for us

Barker generally wins 4 our of his 5 races at Berwick every time.

 

Yet Thomas Jorgenson and Jake Allen come in on 14 points and nine combined

 

Spot the issue here

As I said dont think they are, they are questioning the way the team is being constructed.

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I dont think anyone is arguing that Barker is not a good signing, they are talking about how you structure your line up to be competetive.

 

 

And this is entirely possible with a rider like Barker in the side, his signing doesn’t mean a change of tact from last season, it depends on who the other riders signed are.

 

An example being (and I am not saying he will be) Allen is a Darcy Ward and sticks a point on his average, Edberg sticks a point on his average, and Vissing or Doolan return and add .5. All of a sudden (if Barker also improves) you have put 4 points on your team total.

 

You can construct a side however you like, it ultimately is about how they perform on the track.

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And this is entirely possible with a rider like Barker in the side, his signing doesn’t mean a change of tact from last season, it depends on who the other riders signed are.

 

They have changed there tactic though last season we only started with only one rider on an average over 7

 

This season we have two over 7 if Jake Allens average is a 7 as guessed and we have one over 8

 

On the face of things we have had a change of tactic

 

It may work but if it ain't broke don't fix it as they always say.

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