sparkafag Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The one thing about Peter Waite, he always had plan A, plan B plan C plan D, then two or three more options just in case, but he always had damn good knowledge and the contacts all over the speedway world. His plan A depended on other team’s plan F, he couldn’t tell you his 1-7 in March most years, that’s not something to shout about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 His plan A depended on other team’s plan F, he couldn’t tell you his 1-7 in March most years, that’s not something to shout about. He often gave Berwick a good team though, he had his 3 or 4 Berwick riders you knew would be back including Makovsky and Rymel and then signed what he could get hold of. And if someone under performed, he sacked them and looked for someone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 He often gave Berwick a good team though, he had his 3 or 4 Berwick riders you knew would be back including Makovsky and Rymel and then signed what he could get hold of. And if someone under performed, he sacked them and looked for someone better.Bandits were very rarely beaten at home then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 He often gave Berwick a good team though, he had his 3 or 4 Berwick riders you knew would be back including Makovsky and Rymel and then signed what he could get hold of. And if someone under performed, he sacked them and looked for someone better. He absolutely did, but there wasn’t a strategic plan IMO. He stumbled upon riders like Cartwright, Smethills, Hawkins and to a lesser extent Wilkinson who turned in career seasons for Berwick and punched above their general regression to the mean, if they hadn’t the seasons would have been an utter embarrassment. I am not convinced that is planning in anticipation of other targets falling through. He deserves credit for signing the riders, but I don’t think that he set out with the idea of signing a Hawkins, otherwise he wouldn’t have started the season on the side lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I am probably in the minority here but I'm delighted that Hevelock has done what hes done so Kus wont be back. No way would he have improved his average in my opinion, I think it would have lowered, so I think its brilliant he wont be back. We'll probs just go and sign Steve Worral now though instead, guaranteed to drop his ave. For all the sheep that follow Berwick though I'm sure the Kus situation is very disappointing, given what a good lad he is and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 His plan A depended on other team’s plan F, he couldn’t tell you his 1-7 in March most years, that’s not something to shout about. Think you will find it was 'WOULD NOT TELL YOU HIS TEAM', he had worked out at least 6 permutations, within his very strict budget. He new what he could afford and built his team around it. You never saw Peter out with the begging bowl when things were tight. I am sure there were lots of riders he would have liked at Berwick, but he was wise enough to realise the club could not accomodate them financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Time has been kind to Peter (and rightly so, many should have been a lot kinder to him at the time as well). But let’s not pretend Peter knew he was going to sign guys like Hawkins in December and went to press and practice and meetings with 6 riders despite actually knowing his team (it is possible to rewrite certain parts of history not events that actually took place), he rode his luck many a season, part of the game, a team building genius, no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Berwick are paying a price for having loan riders, who can be withdrawn by the parent club. Kus is gone, and Peterborough can do the same with Vissing. Which makes the signing of Jake Allen, be it on 5 or 7 all-the-more important. Absolutely, and bring another 5 or 7 assessed with him, we will only be weak for 12 meetings. Sign the right riders after 12 meetings then we could really push on and finish strong. The time has come to take matters into our own hands re having first call on a few assets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hall on 4.28 would be worth a punt? you're posts come across quite well..... Until this abortion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Absolutely, and bring another 5 or 7 assessed with him, we will only be weak for 12 meetings. Sign the right riders after 12 meetings then we could really push on and finish strong. The time has come to take matters into our own hands re having first call on a few assets. I would be disappointed if Allan was removed even if he is on 7.00. I don’t think it would do us any favours with other possible Australian targets but that’s another thing for another day. Look at the PL last season Masters, Fricke, Tungate, Douglas, Kurtz, Morris (and previously Smith and Nelson). The scores of Allen are on a comparable level in Australia, that doesn’t always transfer to the UK, but it is a gamble worth taking, short, medium and long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) Absolutely, and bring another 5 or 7 assessed with him, we will only be weak for 12 meetings. Sign the right riders after 12 meetings then we could really push on and finish strong. The time has come to take matters into our own hands re having first call on a few assets. A weak 12 meetings would be enough to put some off coming and spending there cash at the speedway There's plenty of good riders still out there ok they may be on loan but getting an 7 point assessed rider isn't exactly a cheap or easy option either I think we should just stick with Allen and build around him with riders who have experience in this country and at this level. Edited December 8, 2014 by Hamster00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) Absolutely, and bring another 5 or 7 assessed with him, we will only be weak for 12 meetings. Sign the right riders after 12 meetings then we could really push on and finish strong. The time has come to take matters into our own hands re having first call on a few assets. It's a sensible concept and potentially advantageous for the club involved, however I see several potential drawbacks 1 - If as is now being touted assessed riders will have to hit their assessed figure in the future to get visas, you may not end up with any viable assets to use!! 2- I assume your theory is that the assessed riders are retained having dropped by around 3 points each (if 7pt riders) and these points are then used to replace the couple of riders in the team at the lower end. If this planning is known about, it could be difficult to sell the club to those riders who know they may well be chopped after 12 meetings. 3 - as stated above will crowds be sustained while you have an effect team which is built to a 37 total team average and therefore looking at likely defeats?? Edited December 8, 2014 by northyorksbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) you're posts come across quite well..... Until this abortion If he could be fitted in at reserve I would back him to win races around Berwick, despite his erratic performances around most tracks in the country he has always got on quite well with Berwick, well suited to his style. That, and I am not that big a fan of Josh Auty either, loathsome. Edited December 8, 2014 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 If he could be fitted in at reserve I would back him to win races around Berwick, despite his erratic performances around most tracks in the country he has always got on quite well with Berwick, well suited to his style. That, and I am not that big a fan of Josh Auty either, loathsome. We better get the dark deep stuff out again if we sign Richard Hall might as well sign Jason Bunyan while were at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The averages kill of any chance of having aTeam of assets nowadays if they improve you can't fit them In a and lot of the time they want to move on anyway to further their career if they are ambitious.If they don't ride in UK they are worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) It's a sensible concept and potentially advantageous for the club involved, however I see several potential drawbacks 1 - If as is now being touted assessed riders will have to hit their assessed figure in the future to get visas, you may not end up with any viable assets to use!! 2- I assume your theory is that the assessed riders are retained having dropped by around 3 points each (if 7pt riders) and these points are then used to replace the couple of riders in the team at the lower end. If this planning is known about, it could be difficult to sell the club to those riders who know they may well be chopped after 12 meetings. 3 - as stated above will crowds be sustained while you have an effect team which is built to a 37 total team average and therefore looking at likely defeats?? 1. do they not get 2 years? even so i would still take a chance with Jake, the other 7 could be an EU rider 2. A 3.00 youngster could be happy to get 12 meetings PL experience, as long as he knows the deal then not an issue 3. Agree there will be potential heavy defeats away, but should still have 6 close home meetings, 3 of them league cup so imo meaningless anyway. The key would be getting the right rider(s) in after 12 meetings Edited December 8, 2014 by neil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 1. do they not get 2 years? even so i would still take a chance with Jake, the other 7 could be an EU rider 2. A 3.00 youngster could be happy to get 12 meetings PL experience, as long as he knows the deal then not an issue 3. Agree there will be potential heavy defeats away, but should still have 6 close home meetings, 3 of them league cup so imo meaningless anyway. The key would be getting the right rider(s) in after 12 meetings Agreed - only problem with a 3.00 youngster is team is then looking even weaker and if league cup is deemed meaningless crowd will the 10 stalwarts plus trackstaff !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Agreed - only problem with a 3.00 youngster is team is then looking even weaker and if league cup is deemed meaningless crowd will the 10 stalwarts plus trackstaff !! i dont know if it would, as long as the racing is good most people will be happy. For me the thought of having 2 new riders to British speedway and watching their progress as well as having Ben Barker leading the team is good enough reason to go. For a few meetings with indifferent results with the prospect of an exciting young team for the remaining 20 odd home meetings is a price well worth paying. Signing the likes of Harrison, Pjiper etc who to be fair would all do a job does not get me excited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 maksim bogdanov!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 maksim bogdanov!!! ok maybe a tad optimistic with that one but there will be other assessed riders looking for a PL place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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