stevebrum Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Surely, the owning club should be asked first if the rider is available for loan, before agreeing terms with the rider. It's the owning clubs prerogative to use one of their own assets. In this case I think Mr Havvy is getting some unfair flack. Also, the rider can refuse to sign if he wants to ride for another club. Even though Havvy said the only way Matty could leave would be on a full transfer, if push came to shove money from a loan deal is better than no money at all! Must admit I was a little shocked when I read the Berwick angle. Wouldn't it have been easier to discuss WITH Redcar AT the AGM!! Redcar are in the right and Berwick have tried to be a little sly to get the rider they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Mind Neil, although I welcome Barker with open arms, he is not coming in a bargain fee, probably one of the most expensive riders in the PL. So much for our club claiming they are struggling financially, hardly balancing the books is it.. As said Matej is a Redcar asset, and it is up to that club as to where he rides, if he was my asset i would want him back.probably taffy does that mean you don't know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Must admit I was a little shocked when I read the Berwick angle. Wouldn't it have been easier to discuss WITH Redcar AT the AGM!! Redcar are in the right and Berwick have tried to be a little sly to get the rider they want. they did similar with Bellego didnt they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 probably taffy does that mean you don't know Havn't spoken to Matej Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 they did similar with Bellego didnt they? We don't talk about us being shafted sorry losing out on that anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Havn't spoken to Matejwas on about the barker comment 'probably the most expensive rider in the pl' do you know what he's getting then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Must admit I was a little shocked when I read the Berwick angle. Wouldn't it have been easier to discuss WITH Redcar AT the AGM!! Redcar are in the right and Berwick have tried to be a little sly to get the rider they want. Berwick's e-newsletter yesterday explained they HAD discussed an ongoing loan deal with Mr Havelock at the AGM, he had agreed it with both Berwick promoters, after which they negotiated their deal with the rider. Only when they later e-mailed confirmation to Redcar did Mr H inform them Redcar had changed their mind, and wouldn't authorise the already-agreed loan arrangement. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 was on about the barker comment 'probably the most expensive rider in the pl' do you know what he's getting then Has he dropped his point money to come to Berwick, he may well have, but knowing speedway riders damned unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Surely, the owning club should be asked first if the rider is available for loan, before agreeing terms with the rider. It's the owning clubs prerogative to use one of their own assets. In this case I think Mr Havvy is getting some unfair flack. Also, the rider can refuse to sign if he wants to ride for another club. Even though Havvy said the only way Matty could leave would be on a full transfer, if push came to shove money from a loan deal is better than no money at all! According to the newsletter Havelock was ok about Matej coming back on loan when asked at the AGM , he then changed his mind and decided on a full transfer Has he dropped his point money to come to Berwick, he may well have, but knowing speedway riders damned unlikely After losing out financially in previous seasons due not being paid , Ben was probably keen to ride for a team where he knows he'll get paid , it might be less but at least he'll get it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) Berwick's e-newsletter yesterday explained they HAD discussed an ongoing loan deal with Mr Havelock at the AGM, he had agreed it with both Berwick promoters, after which they negotiated their deal with the rider. Only when they later e-mailed confirmation to Redcar did Mr H inform them Redcar had changed their mind, and wouldn't authorise the already-agreed loan arrangement. Official press release states discussions were held and " was all very harmonious everything seemed ok to push ahead as in the season just ended" no mention of an already agreed loan agreement being in place, just that Berwick had authorisation to speak with Kus about him returning. Mr H well within his rights to have a change of mind when Berwick come back to finalise the deal, especially if his plans have not gone according to plan. Seems to me that because this option hasn't worked out Berwick promotion are trying to call foul and deflect any criticism from themselves !! Edited December 6, 2014 by northyorksbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 how do you actually know this??? It was in the newsletter released by the club and is also on the Bandits website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Has he dropped his point money to come to Berwick, he may well have, but knowing speedway riders damned unlikelyi don't know thought you were the one who knew everything 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I think its a blessing in disguise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Berwick's e-newsletter yesterday explained they HAD discussed an ongoing loan deal with Mr Havelock at the AGM, he had agreed it with both Berwick promoters, after which they negotiated their deal with the rider. Only when they later e-mailed confirmation to Redcar did Mr H inform them Redcar had changed their mind, and wouldn't authorise the already-agreed loan arrangement. Well that puts a different light on the matter. As is usual, there is more to a matter than a press release gives! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I think its a blessing in disguisei think your right it's not ment to be obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I think its a blessing in disguise Makes it financially easier for me, will just help the youngsters in the 2nd half, next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythman666 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Kus was great for the Bandits last season. Far exceeded my expectations and was a bit of a bargain on a sub 6 point average. This coming season on an average of over 7 he isn't quite as attractive a proposition in my opinion. He done a great job for us last season and I wish him well for 2015 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Anyone know if Claus is returning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) although I welcome Barker with open arms, he is not coming in a bargain fee, probably one of the most expensive riders in the PL. So much for our club claiming they are struggling financially, hardly balancing the books is it.. Ben Barker will be paid as a good No 1 should be, but in no way is he going to be the most expensive rider in the PL. There's Cook, Stead, two at Somerset and three at Glasgow who will be paid at a higher rate. Barker will be on a par with Danny King, Ulrich Oestergaard and Edward Kennett at a rate below the really-expensive signings. Edited December 6, 2014 by smod 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Eduard Krcmar and Jason Bunyan for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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