Arson fire Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Tbf it seems he was shafted by worky and lakeside last season and we all know he doesnt suffer fools gladly Where he gets £21k though is anyones guess... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spittalbandit Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 This whole asset thing probably wouldnt stand up in a court of law. The riders are self employed and are contracted to a club. But in what other walk of life could you not be paid/ used by club the following year but still be contracted to them and they decide whether you make a living or not . Riders should be signed on a determind time related contract 1 or 2 years then free to move on or sign on again. If not required for say second year they get released from there contract. Thats how it would happen in the real world but forgot speedway is a micky mouse club run by people detatched from reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 This whole asset thing probably wouldnt stand up in a court of law. The riders are self employed and are contracted to a club. But in what other walk of life could you not be paid/ used by club the following year but still be contracted to them and they decide whether you make a living or not . Riders should be signed on a determind time related contract 1 or 2 years then free to move on or sign on again. If not required for say second year they get released from there contract. Thats how it would happen in the real world but forgot speedway is a micky mouse club run by people detatched from reality. Absolutely, but needs a test case to make it happen just as Bosman did in football. Going back quite a few years I think it was Jason Crump who threatened to 'blow the whole system wide open' when he wasn't getting his way to sign for whoever. Never happened though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Absolutely, but needs a test case to make it happen just as Bosman did in football. Going back quite a few years I think it was Jason Crump who threatened to 'blow the whole system wide open' when he wasn't getting his way to sign for whoever. Never happened though. On a similar theme,if there is supposed to be free movement of people and workers within the eu how on earth can the polish authorities stop polish riders being employed in the premier league.Maybe the Borders Agency needs to look at a bit more than just Aussie riders.This sport is just a legal joke and it needs a few test cases to sort out the whole bloody mess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 tony rickardsen thretend to take his parant club (ipswich i think) to court under the bosman rule if they didnt let him out on loan they soon gave in regardless off team or rider if a club owns a riders contract then i think they should have option of using them or letting out on loan or put them up for sale similar to that dreaded game foot ball to many riders sign for the richer clubs and never ride for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Whats the betting Berwick pay £21k and entry becomes £20 inc burger long way to go for a burger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 tony was a speedway god back then, not as good as seb alden though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Wonder where the money was coming from to track Robson and Bjerre.... a guess havvy will put an extra £2 on the entry fee just like he put a £1 on last year for the air fence fund and told fans if you don't agree then stay away,, I he never holds out back does havvy snr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 This whole asset thing probably wouldnt stand up in a court of law. The riders are self employed and are contracted to a club. But in what other walk of life could you not be paid/ used by club the following year but still be contracted to them and they decide whether you make a living or not . Riders should be signed on a determind time related contract 1 or 2 years then free to move on or sign on again. If not required for say second year they get released from there contract. Thats how it would happen in the real world but forgot speedway is a micky mouse club run by people detatched from reality. the Bellego fiasco is another example of the ridiculous flaws in the asset system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think you need to do them again,Guest bookings don't count towards averages. Makes very little difference still averaged more last season at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spittalbandit Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 tony rickardsen thretend to take his parant club (ipswich i think) to court under the bosman rule if they didnt let him out on loan they soon gave in regardless off team or rider if a club owns a riders contract then i think they should have option of using them or letting out on loan or put them up for sale similar to that dreaded game foot ball to many riders sign for the richer clubs and never ride for them The point i was making is that no club in any other sport has anyone on a lifetime contract. In the example you use football. Players generally sign for a fixed term of say three years they then after that are freevto go wherever they want. However in the three years they can play for the club or go on loan or the club can sell them but they are still paid for the whole three years whether picked to play or not. In speedway a riders joins a club and if the club dont use him they dont pay him . Therefor imo no longer under contract. My idea goes same as football fixed term contract if not used can be loaned or sold but at end of contract freedom to move. However say you bring a young rider through to pl level from junior when they move a compensation figure is paid as happens in football with u21 players. If all the riders got together and organised themseves they atvthe end of day could push changes through. They had an organisation at one time think remember shane parker had something to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I thought last year we had signed Matej on a 2 year deal ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 See in the Newsletter that Berwick are hinting that Jake Allen is not a foregone conclusion as he still needs a visa from the right authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) I thought last year we had signed Matej on a 2 year deal ?heard that too but didn't believe it at the time and as it seems I was right not too Edited December 5, 2014 by Goodiepatchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I thought last year we had signed Matej on a 2 year deal ? The two-year agreement would be with Matej Kus, all parties no doubt presuming the loan deal was a given, as with 95% of all speedway moves. Is Havelock the problem, or is it the Soprano brothers? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 On a similar theme,if there is supposed to be free movement of people and workers within the eu how on earth can the polish authorities stop polish riders being employed in the premier league.Maybe the Borders Agency needs to look at a bit more than just Aussie riders.This sport is just a legal joke and it needs a few test cases to sort out the whole bloody mess.The Poles, like the French, pick and choose which EU laws they follow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I find the stance taking by Mr Havelock very funny, thing is most people are laughing at him. Once he has had his medication and has calmed down a little, then Matej Kus will be allowed to ride for Berwick next season, the club want him and he wants to be here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I find the stance taking by Mr Havelock very funny, thing is most people are laughing at him. Once he has had his medication and has calmed down a little, then Matej Kus will be allowed to ride for Berwick next season, the club want him and he wants to be here.hes off to redcar apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 The Poles, like the French, pick and choose which EU laws they follow. And the BSPAmake them up as they go along :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I think a few folk will be disappointed if there is a block put on Matej coming back for a second season. Not very sporting of Mr Havelock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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