topsoil Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To be honest, no. None of us have the experience of being promoters, therefore none of us know the real difficulty in running a club. It's easy to come on here and have a whinge, but I would imagine the promoters have looked into a lot of possibilities. It's not an ideal situation, but unfortunately it is the state of modern speedway that so many teams rely on guests and r/r. No short term solution, plenty of long term ones. But patience is not in abundance amongst Berwick fans. You only need to see the drop in attendance levels after home defeats earlier this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Any news of Bens injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Kelly 41 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) To be honest, no. None of us have the experience of being promoters, therefore none of us know the real difficulty in running a club. It's easy to come on here and have a whinge, but I would imagine the promoters have looked into a lot of possibilities. It's not an ideal situation, but unfortunately it is the state of modern speedway that so many teams rely on guests and r/r. No short term solution, plenty of long term ones. But patience is not in abundance amongst Berwick fans. You only need to see the drop in attendance levels after home defeats earlier this season. Edinburgh's John Campbell told his public on Friday that their attendances were down at least 10% on last year, on one occasion more than 20%. He explained his club had lost more than £4,000 on one meeting alone! And that is a successful outfit, league champions, huge population in towns and cities all around and unbeaten at home (up to the point he was writing) so we should not blindly attribute falling crowds only to home defeats. At Berwick, in a sparsely-populated area, it is important to remember how cold it has been at the majority of meetings so far, which was probably the primary reason for lower attendances in April and early May. Yes, winning helps -- and your above excellent post is correct to highlight the losing-team factor --but (other people's) destructive criticism of a promotion facing the kind of weekly losses at least the equal of those laid out by Mr Campbell is going to have only one conclusion. That the promoters consider enough is enough, and with no further financial help on the horizon they decide there are easier ways to part with four grand every time they open the turnstiles............. Edited June 16, 2015 by Ned Kelly 41 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Edinburgh's John Campbell told his public on Friday that their attendances were down at least 10% on last year, on one occasion more than 20%. He explained his club had lost more than £4,000 on one meeting alone! And that is a successful outfit, league champions, huge population in towns and cities all around and unbeaten at home (up to the point he was writing) so we should not blindly attribute falling crowds only to home defeats. At Berwick, in a sparsely-populated area, it is important to remember how cold it has been at the majority of meetings so far, which was probably the primary reason for lower attendances in April and early May. Yes, winning helps -- and your above excellent post is correct to highlight the losing-team factor --but (other people's) destructive criticism of a promotion facing the kind of weekly losses at least the equal of those laid out by Mr Campbell is going to have only one conclusion. That the promoters consider enough is enough, and with no further financial help on the horizon they decide there are easier ways to part with four grand every time they open the turnstiles............. Armadale is over 30 miles from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, though. It's hardly on the doorstep, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Any news of Bens injury ? Chris Harris #37 @BomberHarris37 3m3 minutes ago I have been told that news on Ben Barker's injuries will be issued tomorrow after some more scans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Armadale is over 30 miles from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, though. It's hardly on the doorstep, is it? Agree, but there is still a huge population in that area. Edinburgh's John Campbell told his public on Friday that their attendances were down at least 10% on last year, on one occasion more than 20%. He explained his club had lost more than £4,000 on one meeting alone! And that is a successful outfit, league champions, huge population in towns and cities all around and unbeaten at home (up to the point he was writing) so we should not blindly attribute falling crowds only to home defeats. At Berwick, in a sparsely-populated area, it is important to remember how cold it has been at the majority of meetings so far, which was probably the primary reason for lower attendances in April and early May. Yes, winning helps -- and your above excellent post is correct to highlight the losing-team factor --but (other people's) destructive criticism of a promotion facing the kind of weekly losses at least the equal of those laid out by Mr Campbell is going to have only one conclusion. That the promoters consider enough is enough, and with no further financial help on the horizon they decide there are easier ways to part with four grand every time they open the turnstiles............. To be honest, I don't know how they keep it going, low crowds and relentless criticism from all directions, some justified and many not in my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 ..but (other people's) destructive criticism of a promotion facing the kind of weekly losses at least the equal of those laid out by Mr Campbell is going to have only one conclusion. That the promoters consider enough is enough, and with no further financial help on the horizon they decide there are easier ways to part with four grand every time they open the turnstiles............. It's really sad - and there are some of us on here that have tried to point this out, but to no avail - that there are some hell-bent on destroying speedway at Berwick. There has been some really poisonous and utterly pathetic attitudes towards the Promotions over the past 15 years at Berwick which have steadily undermined the club. So, I'll stand here and be accused of being a brown noser, but at least I will know that I did all I could to support The Club before its demise. I honestly don't know what some speedway followers want. If the snipers don't want speedway to finish, then they have been exceptionally thick in thinking that their constant negativity is not destructive. Peter had all sorts thrown at him, and it didn't take long until the new ownership started to get the same treatment. Very sad. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 It's really sad - and there are some of us on here that have tried to point this out, but to no avail - that there are some hell-bent on destroying speedway at Berwick. There has been some really poisonous and utterly pathetic attitudes towards the Promotions over the past 15 years at Berwick which have steadily undermined the club. So, I'll stand here and be accused of being a brown noser, but at least I will know that I did all I could to support The Club before its demise. I honestly don't know what some speedway followers want. If the snipers don't want speedway to finish, then they have been exceptionally thick in thinking that their constant negativity is not destructive. Peter had all sorts thrown at him, and it didn't take long until the new ownership started to get the same treatment. Very sad. Spot on post, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 It's really sad - and there are some of us on here that have tried to point this out, but to no avail - that there are some hell-bent on destroying speedway at Berwick. There has been some really poisonous and utterly pathetic attitudes towards the Promotions over the past 15 years at Berwick which have steadily undermined the club. So, I'll stand here and be accused of being a brown noser, but at least I will know that I did all I could to support The Club before its demise. I honestly don't know what some speedway followers want. If the snipers don't want speedway to finish, then they have been exceptionally thick in thinking that their constant negativity is not destructive. Peter had all sorts thrown at him, and it didn't take long until the new ownership started to get the same treatment. Very sad. ah but we are now told by the same people who slagged Peter that he was god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 ah but we are now told by the same people who slagged Peter that he was god Correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Correct! i was in the stand the night Peter announced he was quitting There was an audible YES from some members of the stand quite unbelievable when there was a strong possibility (at that moment) that speedway had ended for good at berwick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 i was in the stand the night Peter announced he was quitting There was an audible YES from some members of the stand quite unbelievable when there was a strong possibility (at that moment) that speedway had ended for good at berwick I think most people could name who they were too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think most people could name who they were too. one of them is chairman of the Peter Waite fan clubAnother is chairman of the berwick fickle society 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 taken from Ben Barker's facebook and its not good news; 'So the story so far I have broken at least 1 vertebrae and I am waiting on an mri scan to see if I need to have an operation' speedy recovery Ben! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sounds like a bad one. Also sounds like he'll be out for a while. Here's to the recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 looks like it could be two signings needed, not 1, Ben's averages is only on around 7.6 so could be slightly dodgy using guests at number 1 for the rest of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Fernando Garcia at No2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Riding on Saturday after meetingand during or is he still having a spin after Edited June 16, 2015 by Goodiepatchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Berwick's e-Newsletter confirms new signing. Subject to BSPA approval, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel75 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Go Fernando "Coty" Garcia the best for you, great rider.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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