BBSC Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Bager finished 2013 on a 5-3 average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Fair dos, time to carry on discussing how our team is taking shape. I'm surprised there is not more fuss over Ben Barker, he's one of the biggest signings the club has ever mad I think we have heard that statement a few times in the last couple of years, hope it is not an omen, as I like Barkers signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 not sure about his average but have heard a rumour that Henning Bager may be back in the UK next season. That doesn't mean Berwick have been in contact. 34 next month. Another journeyman foreigner with his best days probably behind him. Most clubs will definately benefit from having one such rider to pass on experience, etc, but at Berwick you already have Kevin Doolan to fill that slot. You surely wouldn't want another. Talk of such riders at various tracks, not just Berwick this winter (Pijper, Harrison, Bunyan, Compton and the like) is depressing for supporters at every club, who must prefer to see younger, perhaps less-predictable signings, especially if they might become club assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 34 next month. Another journeyman foreigner with his best days probably behind him. Most clubs will definately benefit from having one such rider to pass on experience, etc, but at Berwick you already have Kevin Doolan to fill that slot. You surely wouldn't want another. Talk of such riders at various tracks, not just Berwick this winter (Pijper, Harrison, Bunyan, Compton and the like) is depressing for supporters at every club, who must prefer to see younger, perhaps less-predictable signings, especially if they might become club assets. Man after my own heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 id have rather have had pijper over jorgenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 id have rather have had pijper over jorgenson I weould have prefered Kracmar than either of them, but hey ho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjcol Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 what next or who next to sign for the bandits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 id have rather have had pijper over jorgensonDisagree,there might be some improvement to come from Jorgenson unlike Pijper . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Disagree,there might be some improvement to come from Jorgenson unlike Pijper . Of course any improvement would be great but IMO if Jorgensen ends the season on the average he starts with he will be doing well, I see his role as third heat leader behind Barker & Vissing, a rider on a 7+ average will be a plus for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I weould have prefered Kracmar than either of them, but hey ho! He would miss far to many meetings, would he not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) He would miss far to many meetings, would he not ? Probably, but you either go for new blood and take the club forwards, or you sign yesterdays riders on loan and stay where you are. To be fair, it dosn't look that bad this year, just too many loan fees, when you could be getting new assets, however if Allen does end up on a 7 the bottom end could be too weak. Edited January 16, 2015 by TOURETTES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Other than Ipswich and Newcastle I don’t see strong reserves this year, Sheffield are a maybe. That is solely dependent on Sissis living up to his potential though. I wouldn’t be too concerned if Berwick had a bottom two of Edberg and Perry/Greaves, it would be no stronger or weaker than most sides in the league. Other than the two sides mentioned (and even then Newcastle only have Rose) I don’t see a team with reserves who will be dominant. Branford and Clegg Sarjeant and Palovaara Lambert and Greenwood Gravesen and Konopka Lunna and Perks Starke and Dilger I could take or leave them. A rider might break through from the pack and “do a Worrall” if not they are all just 3.00/5.00 riders IMO. I would say the same of Workington who some seem to fancy as a strong side, but even then, like Newcastle, the top end strength is lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Other than Ipswich and Newcastle I don’t see strong reserves this year, Sheffield are a maybe. That is solely dependent on Sissis living up to his potential though. I wouldn’t be too concerned if Berwick had a bottom two of Edberg and Perry/Greaves, it would be no stronger or weaker than most sides in the league. Other than the two sides mentioned (and even then Newcastle only have Rose) I don’t see a team with reserves who will be dominant. Branford and Clegg Sarjeant and Palovaara Lambert and Greenwood Gravesen and Konopka Lunna and Perks Starke and Dilger I could take or leave them. A rider might break through from the pack and “do a Worrall” if not they are all just 3.00/5.00 riders IMO. I would say the same of Workington who some seem to fancy as a strong side, but even then, like Newcastle, the top end strength is lacking. If the top 5 are sound, then 2 reserves probably OK, but if it is a top 4 with what in essence would be 3 reserves, don't know, might work out but might not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Other than Ipswich and Newcastle I don’t see strong reserves this year, Sheffield are a maybe. That is solely dependent on Sissis living up to his potential though. I wouldn’t be too concerned if Berwick had a bottom two of Edberg and Perry/Greaves, it would be no stronger or weaker than most sides in the league. Other than the two sides mentioned (and even then Newcastle only have Rose) I don’t see a team with reserves who will be dominant. Branford and Clegg Sarjeant and Palovaara Lambert and Greenwood Gravesen and Konopka Lunna and Perks Starke and Dilger I could take or leave them. A rider might break through from the pack and “do a Worrall” if not they are all just 3.00/5.00 riders IMO. I would say the same of Workington who some seem to fancy as a strong side, but even then, like Newcastle, the top end strength is lacking. I think Sargeant and Palovaara have a fair bit of potential. I also think Alex is easily capable of putting a point on his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) I think Sargeant and Palovaara have a fair bit of potential. I also think Alex is easily capable of putting a point on his average. They are two in the “could be” bracket, absolutely. I like Sargeant it will be interesting to see how he scores across the season. Alex was performing close to a 5.00 average (4.86 CMA) in meetings raced last season. (quite encouraging given that included visits to Newcastle, Rye and Edinburgh where he has, out with one meeting at Edinburgh been, and this is kind, awful). Fortunately his average didn’t change and he has been picked up on 3.84, in theory that could be a +1.00 add to the team total. If he was to end the season with a 5.00 average. That kind of average would have meant he was top scoring reserve in 8 PL sides at the end of last season. That gives you an idea of how marginal the gains from riders often are and what sort of ball park figure you are looking at for a high scoring reserve. I think that there is a slightly false positioning going on when Berwicks “reserve weakness” is being referenced. You would think that they were going to tapes with 2 riders who were going to be half a lap behind every race, when you look at other sides, I don’t think that is the case. Edited January 16, 2015 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 They are two in the “could be” bracket, absolutely. I like Sargeant it will be interesting to see how he scores across the season. Alex was performing close to a 5.00 average (4.86 CMA) in meetings raced last season. (quite encouraging given that included visits to Newcastle, Rye and Edinburgh where he has, out with one meeting at Edinburgh been, and this is kind, awful). Fortunately his average didn’t change and he has been picked up on 3.84, in theory that could be a +1.00 add to the team total. If he was to end the season with a 5.00 average. That kind of average would have meant he was top scoring reserve in 8 PL sides at the end of last season. That gives you an idea of how marginal the gains from riders often are and what sort of ball park figure you are looking at for a high scoring reserve. I think that there is a slightly false positioning going on when Berwicks “reserve weakness” is being referenced. You would think that they were going to tapes with 2 riders who were going to be half a lap behind every race, when you look at other sides, I don’t think that is the case. I don't get the weak reserves argument either, Alex is an experienced PL rider, very professional, and will have top notch equipment. We don't know who the other reserve will be yet, so predictions of a weak reserve pairing are speculative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Probably, but you either go for new blood and take the club forwards, or you sign yesterdays riders on loan and stay where you are. To be fair, it dosn't look that bad this year, just too many loan fees, when you could be getting new assets, however if Allen does end up on a 7 the bottom end could be too weak. Fair point, but there would be complaint's from some quarters. Especially when he was doing Euro championships where no facility is granted. Are the Promotion really concerned about new assets ?? When Mildenhall have signed a Local lad, Luke Ruddick from under their noses, either not interested or a "bit silly" !! To put it mildly. Regarding Allen, I would guess he will be left home in AUS if or when he is confirmed as a 7.00, as I can't see them dropping any of the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Robin Aspegren off to Rye House should please shaddersI'd prefer Pontus Aspgren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't get the weak reserves argument either, Alex is an experienced PL rider, very professional, and will have top notch equipment. We don't know who the other reserve will be yet, so predictions of a weak reserve pairing are speculative. I think the "weak reserve scenario"only applies if Jake is in the top 5 on a 7.We would have 3 low averaged riders in the Team unless Jake is 5 or 6 point man from the off.Until the picture is clearer regarding Jake you are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I think the "weak reserve scenario"only applies if Jake is in the top 5 on a 7.We would have 3 low averaged riders in the Team unless Jake is 5 or 6 point man from the off.Until the picture is clearer regarding Jake you are correct If Jake Allen is on a 7.00, he can NOT be fitted in to the team unless they drop either of Vissing,Doolan, Jorgensen or Barker ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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