Hamster00 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Maybe offer your services. It's not easy to get enough volunteers to organise these events - many hands an all. Perhaps you could create the comraderie Edinburgh appear to have. If it all goes well I could end up being a professional events planner Seriously though if this could be done I would be happy to get together with some other fans and try and do something to bring the fans together and to try and bring speedway to a wider audience in Berwick. Edited December 9, 2014 by Hamster00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Maybe offer your services. It's not easy to get enough volunteers to organise these events - many hands an all. Perhaps you could create the comraderie Edinburgh appear to have. Constructive post! If some of us on here did more active volunteering to help the club in small ways...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Surprised Barker not got EL team yet He'll be in the EL. Low average due to riding as a heat leader in '14 and a lack of decent EL riders around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I went up about half a dozen times last year, maybe more and the crowd was roughly the same every time and it wasn't the biggest the only exception being the play off final. This shows the difficulty the sport is in. I actually think there is a hell of a lot of good work done by both Edinburgh and Berwick, yet crowds are not enough to sustain the sport. One thing that is frequently sad to see on here is the incredible propensity for posters to attack their own promotion, and to almost gloat at small crowds. This attitude has to change as we need to attract more fans. Who would want to go to an event with someone who constantly moans about the track, or the sport in general? I even get lambasted on here as I've managed to get a few new folk to come along regularly! If every one could bring just one person along each week, it would make a huge difference. If we want the sport to survive the fans have to do their bit too. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 This shows the difficulty the sport is in. I actually think there is a hell of a lot of good work done by both Edinburgh and Berwick, yet crowds are not enough to sustain the sport. One thing that is frequently sad to see on here is the incredible propensity for posters to attack their own promotion, and to almost gloat at small crowds. This attitude has to change as we need to attract more fans. Who would want to go to an event with someone who constantly moans about the track, or the sport in general? I even get lambasted on here as I've managed to get a few new folk to come along regularly! If every one could bring just one person along each week, it would make a huge difference. If we want the sport to survive the fans have to do their bit too. Couldn't agree more the one problem speedway has and always will do is it just isn't a big enough sport in this country I am lucky my parents took me to speedway from a young age and it's always been something I have had a passion for A lot of people I know that don't come to speedway it is because they don't understand it properly and I don't know how many times people have said to me well it's just four bikes going round in a circle whats exciting about that It is quite hard in this climate to get someone to spend £15 on something there not completely interested in and I see how it must be frustrating for promoters all around the country but something has to be done if the sport is to be sustainable not only in Berwick but across the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 If it all goes well I could end up being a professional events planner Seriously though if this could be done I would be happy to get together with some other fans and try and do something to bring the fans together and to try and bring speedway to a wider audience in Berwick. Constructive post!If some of us on here did more active volunteering to help the club in small ways...... This shows the difficulty the sport is in. I actually think there is a hell of a lot of good work done by both Edinburgh and Berwick, yet crowds are not enough to sustain the sport. One thing that is frequently sad to see on here is the incredible propensity for posters to attack their own promotion, and to almost gloat at small crowds. This attitude has to change as we need to attract more fans. Who would want to go to an event with someone who constantly moans about the track, or the sport in general? I even get lambasted on here as I've managed to get a few new folk to come along regularly! If every one could bring just one person along each week, it would make a huge difference. If we want the sport to survive the fans have to do their bit too. That's 3 of you in less than half an hour. Just takes 1 or 2 to give it a go. Increases awareness, make a few quid, have a good night out and make new fwends. Everyone's a winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 This shows the difficulty the sport is in. I actually think there is a hell of a lot of good work done by both Edinburgh and Berwick, yet crowds are not enough to sustain the sport. One thing that is frequently sad to see on here is the incredible propensity for posters to attack their own promotion, and to almost gloat at small crowds. This attitude has to change as we need to attract more fans. Who would want to go to an event with someone who constantly moans about the track, or the sport in general? I even get lambasted on here as I've managed to get a few new folk to come along regularly! If every one could bring just one person along each week, it would make a huge difference. If we want the sport to survive the fans have to do their bit too. Scott, you no me by now. Any business should be run by it's owners or boards of directors, not reliant on volunteers. So the question is, is Berwick Speedway a business in that sense. If it runs as a form of Cooperative, then fine, everyone involved should have an equal vote, each individual involved having an equal vote in any decision. 'YOU', run your business yourself, you are not reliant on anyone volunteering, you fall or stand by the decisions and standards you make, I doubt you would relish any outside interference in how you run your business. Your survival depends on the standard of sevice 'YOU' provide to your customer, who will return because of it, or reccomend you because of their satisfaction. Speedway in general asks it's fans for help, then gets uppity when they want a say how it should be run, the speedway world cannot have it both ways. That's 3 of you in less than half an hour. Just takes 1 or 2 to give it a go. Increases awareness, make a few quid, have a good night out and make new fwends. Everyone's a winner. Berwick has a good supporters club, backed up by the 2012 group, but even there, it seems there has been a bust up. The supporters club members give their time and effort to support the club and it's riders, and should 100% decide how their funds are spent, without the club interfering in their decisions. Here is a perfect example where animosity can build up, from a group of people who love speedway, and enjoy helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Berwick has a good supporters club, backed up by the 2012 group, but even there, it seems there has been a bust up. The supporters club members give their time and effort to support the club and it's riders, and should 100% decide how their funds are spent, without the club interfering in their decisions. Here is a perfect example where animosity can build up, from a group of people who love speedway, and enjoy helping. Maybe though this is an area where a few people can approach the supporters club or the promotion with a few ideas to get everyone together and try and raise a few quid in the process and try to club together and build a good working relationship between all involved with the best interests of the club at heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Scott, you no me by now. Any business should be run by it's owners or boards of directors, not reliant on volunteers. So the question is, is Berwick Speedway a business in that sense. If it runs as a form of Cooperative, then fine, everyone involved should have an equal vote, each individual involved having an equal vote in any decision. 'YOU', run your business yourself, you are not reliant on anyone volunteering, you fall or stand by the decisions and standards you make, I doubt you would relish any outside interference in how you run your business. Your survival depends on the standard of sevice 'YOU' provide to your customer, who will return because of it, or reccomend you because of their satisfaction. Speedway in general asks it's fans for help, then gets uppity when they want a say how it should be run, the speedway world cannot have it both ways. You points in general about business are fine Taffy. Every business is different, and certainly many sports clubs rely on a certain amount of volunteers: but most importantly fans. I don't know about any bust ups, so can't comment on that, but I am only recommending as A SMALL PART of helping the sport survive that we try and bring friends along. An interesting point brought up is that it is a complicated sport to learn. It needn't be, but the wonderful rule makers see to it that it is. Also many businesses do everything right, but their market just isn't there. That is one of the worries about speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Scott, you no me by now. Any business should be run by it's owners or boards of directors, not reliant on volunteers. So the question is, is Berwick Speedway a business in that sense. If it runs as a form of Cooperative, then fine, everyone involved should have an equal vote, each individual involved having an equal vote in any decision. 'YOU', run your business yourself, you are not reliant on anyone volunteering, you fall or stand by the decisions and standards you make, I doubt you would relish any outside interference in how you run your business. Your survival depends on the standard of sevice 'YOU' provide to your customer, who will return because of it, or reccomend you because of their satisfaction. Speedway in general asks it's fans for help, then gets uppity when they want a say how it should be run, the speedway world cannot have it both ways. Speedway is not a business anymore, in the true sense. Businesses have to be profitable to continue or go under. Speedway clubs rarely appear to make money or even break even. Therefore adhering to your 'business model', the sport would be non existent years ago. Without volunteers I would guess very few, if any, clubs would survive. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Speedway is not a business anymore, in the true sense. Businesses have to be profitable to continue or go under. Speedway clubs rarely appear to make money or even break even. Therefore adhering to your 'business model', the sport would be non existent years ago. Without volunteers I would guess very few, if any, clubs would survive. Then, if that is the case, and I do not disagree with you, the volunteers must have a greater say in how it is run, if they are giving up their time and effort in making sure that the sport continues. The problem arises, when someones opinion differs from those who are in charge, when generally their heart is there, and in their way are trying to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 This shows the difficulty the sport is in. I actually think there is a hell of a lot of good work done by both Edinburgh and Berwick, yet crowds are not enough to sustain the sport. One thing that is frequently sad to see on here is the incredible propensity for posters to attack their own promotion, and to almost gloat at small crowds. This attitude has to change as we need to attract more fans. Who would want to go to an event with someone who constantly moans about the track, or the sport in general? I even get lambasted on here as I've managed to get a few new folk to come along regularly! If every one could bring just one person along each week, it would make a huge difference. If we want the sport to survive the fans have to do their bit too. Then we have you telling everybody we should pay £20 entrance fee.!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Then we have you telling everybody we should pay £20 entrance fee.!!!!! Only if there is a burger, a programme, and a can of pop thrown in Then, if that is the case, and I do not disagree with you, the volunteers must have a greater say in how it is run, if they are giving up their time and effort in making sure that the sport continues. The problem arises, when someones opinion differs from those who are in charge, when generally their heart is there, and in their way are trying to help. I don't think that has to be the case. If you want to have a say in how the club is run, you really need to invest: this is particularly the case when the finances are underpinned by the owners. Volunteers do not have a say in how charities are run - and don't expect it. Another problem speedway seems to have is everyone thinks they can run a speedway team better than the promotions. I can't think of a more difficult business to run, and I am very impressed that so many clubs are still managing to survive! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Only if there is a burger, a programme, and a can of pop thrown in I don't think that has to be the case. If you want to have a say in how the club is run, you really need to invest: this is particularly the case when the finances are underpinned by the owners. Volunteers do not have a say in how charities are run - and don't expect it. Another problem speedway seems to have is everyone thinks they can run a speedway team better than the promotions. I can't think of a more difficult business to run, and I am very impressed that so many clubs are still managing to survive! And there I have to agree.. I have a campaign for healthy eating, we all need to live longer, so stop eating burgers, they are really bad for you. Edited December 9, 2014 by TOURETTES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 And there I have to agree.. I have a campaign for healthy eating, we all need to live longer, so stop eating burgers, they are really bad for you. One burger's not as unhealthy as 10 pints Not as much fun either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 One burger's not as unhealthy as 10 pints Not as much fun either! I have checked, no saturated fats in ale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 One burger's not as unhealthy as 10 pints Not as much fun either! Unless you are German and riding for us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Shame Adam Ellis stays so far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Shame Adam Ellis stays so far away. Would be a decent signing.No further than a lot of previous Bandirs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Scott, you no me by now. Any business should be run by it's owners or boards of directors, not reliant on volunteers. So the question is, is Berwick Speedway a business in that sense. If it runs as a form of Cooperative, then fine, everyone involved should have an equal vote, each individual involved having an equal vote in any decision. 'YOU', run your business yourself, you are not reliant on anyone volunteering, you fall or stand by the decisions and standards you make, I doubt you would relish any outside interference in how you run your business. Your survival depends on the standard of sevice 'YOU' provide to your customer, who will return because of it, or reccomend you because of their satisfaction. Speedway in general asks it's fans for help, then gets uppity when they want a say how it should be run, the speedway world cannot have it both volunteers built the stadium at Berrington lough without these volunteers there would be no business as you call it speedway has always relied on volunteers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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